Darth Vader vs ?

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-06-16 09:16pm

I note that many people think that Darth Vader can beat the Headless Horseman. What I am curious about is who could beat Darth Vader hopefully without including Godlike beings (ie: Q) and not other Jedis / Sith.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-06-16 09:16pm

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-16 09:28pm

Hmm, the list(or at least excerpts):
Miowaro Tomakato
A Culture Drone
An elder vampire from most genres(barring buffy and blade)
Ranma Saotome
Most mid-high end anime characters actually
A hitler youth with an ysalimiri on his shoulder and a 30-06(must have good scope and steady aim).
An elder Dragon from most genres, age decreases as Universe's dragons gain capability.
The New Agent Smith
Nearly any Image/Wildstorm Superhuman

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-06-16 10:22pm

Vader's Force Choke is what wins most of his fights. The ways to counter that include

1) Frying Vader before he can TK (telekenesis) them (Havok, Professor X)
2) Having TK of their own to resist it (Freiza, Invisible Woman)
3) Being incoperal (The Twins, Ms. Deep)
4) Having anti-magic/psionic fields (Dr. Strange, Magican Gary)
5) Being too tough to TK (Hulk, EVA-01)
6) Beating him in a quick-draw contest (The Flash, Dr. Akabane)

With his Force Choke out of the way, its just a matter of dameging him, which shouldn't be that hard. A beam wider than a Lightsaber should do it. Powerful telepathic atacks should do so as well, as well as decent magic.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-06-16 10:32pm

Any primarch, failing that, the Emperor.

A good psyker could probably kill Vader too.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-06-17 01:31am

But the Twins need to be solid to hurt Vader.... and wouldn't the force push somehow push the twins away?

When the Twins are phased they can't really move fast, you know, I mean when in a speeding car they phase through it and wind up eating the car's dust.....

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-06-17 01:43am

All that's needed to kill the wonder twins is a laser and good timing.
That or incest charges.(You know it happens)

Plenty of anime characters could take him, that force choke doesn't work if someone kicks him upside the head while he does it. In fact, he might not be able to stop someone who lays a nice smackdown upside his face mask. Or anyone who can effect electrical change in surrounding areas.

Of course that always leads back to the culture drone.
The force is insignificant compared to the power of an effector field.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-17 01:43am

Any self respecting Black Mage...Vivi specifically...

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-06-17 02:14am

Shroom Man 777 wrote:But the Twins need to be solid to hurt Vader.... and wouldn't the force push somehow push the twins away?

All I said was ways to avoid the choke. As for hurting Vader, turning solid inside someone usually hurts.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2003-06-17 06:53am

Yogi wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:But the Twins need to be solid to hurt Vader.... and wouldn't the force push somehow push the twins away?
All I said was ways to avoid the choke. As for hurting Vader, turning solid inside someone usually hurts.

He doesn't choke them, he pushes them away -_-

How sure are you they can stick their hands in the dude, solidify and kill the dude? They never did that in the films. Any canon source indicating this?

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-06-17 07:35am

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SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-06-17 07:36am

Crap. Make that:

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Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-06-17 12:41pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:He doesn't choke them, he pushes them away -_-

Uses Tekenesis . . . on incoperal objects . . . how?

Shroom Man 777 wrote:How sure are you they can stick their hands in the dude, solidify and kill the dude? They never did that in the films. Any canon source indicating this?

I mension that simply because it is a standard tactic which is used by the vast majority of "phasers" in fictions. Of course, you are free to argue that the Twins are somehow diffrent and unique in that sense.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-06-17 12:53pm

Hmm, then Ms. Deep from Read Or Die would be a good bet.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-17 01:22pm

theheap wrote:yoda

If that were the case ... why didn't he?

consequences wrote:A hitler youth with an ysalimiri on his shoulder and a 30-06(must have good scope and steady aim).

Wouldn't work. Vader would still be able to use the force to destroy the bullets, you'd need to basically cover the area with ysalimiri. Not to mention his durasteel body armour.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-06-17 01:23pm

What about La Magra from blade? Both the Deacon Frost version and the 8-story tall bloodtide?

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-17 03:46pm

consequences wrote:Hmm, the list(or at least excerpts):
A Culture Drone

vader wouldn't have time to fart

The New Agent Smith

what is so good about the new agent smith? he's the same as the old smith,
not even as good as the upgraded agents

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-06-17 03:50pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:But the Twins need to be solid to hurt Vader.... and wouldn't the force push somehow push the twins away?

When the Twins are phased they can't really move fast, you know, I mean when in a speeding car they phase through it and wind up eating the car's dust.....

I wasn't impressed by the Twins at all, their only advantage seemed to be their phasing ability. Besides that, when they were solid, I found them...almost laughable.

The agent was in the back seat trying to Kill Morph which he failed to do, after 5 minutes,
Morph was held off BOTH twins with a sword,

they just weren't very impressive

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-17 03:56pm

The new agent smith because there are a potentially inifinite number of him. One Smith gets force choked, two get slammed together into midair, 5-6 get force shoved off balance and lightsabered.
300 of them overwhelm Vader by force of numbers.

The kid with a rifle needs good aim to target a vulnerable joint in the armor, and isn't a sure bet. But Jedi have been shown to be blindsided before, even without force deadening effects, so the first shot has a decent chance of getting through. A Special Forces Sniper with a .50 cal Barret is much more likely, but you might as well just give him the full machine gun, and let him overload vader with threats, especially combined with the ysalimiri effect.

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2003-06-17 04:12pm

How about Batman?

The Dark Night certainly is an absolute master at hand to hand combat, including just about all forms of martial arts, plus weapons...I'm certain some form of fencing or other swordplay would come in handy if he had access to somebody's lightsaber.

Furthermore, he has displayed a mental and physiological discipline that may very well allow him to flex his neck muscles and survive an attempted force choke...how many of Joker's and Penguin's muscle men have attempted...and succeeded...to strangle Batman, anyway?

Batman would not simply pop into existance into the Empire and appear suddenly before the Sith Lord. He would lay low, aquiring strategic and tactical info, weaponry, etc. in order to prepare for the upcomming battle.

Discovering the metaphysical attributes of Jedi/Sith and the Force, he would draw upon his knowledge of Eastern Mysticism.

Of course, suddenly feeling his air supply cut off, he would bum-rush Vader.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-17 04:21pm

Flexing your neck muscles won't work without superhuman strength, Vader can bring too much pressure to bear, or he could just separate your vertebrae. and with a plan and prep time, Batman can beat just about anybody.

Micheal Ryans, Beta pilot · Post by **Micheal Ryans, Beta pilot** » 2003-06-17 04:22pm

Dante from Devil May Cry. According to the cut-scenes, he can be stabbed thorugh the heart and lungs, then push himself up through the sword he's just been impaled on, without any damage.

A Covenant Elite or Hunter would stand a fairly good chance, but the Elite would have to be quick to avoid checking choked before it can unleash some plasma rifle fire. The Hunter of course could just fire at him, or smash him in the head with its arm shield.

Kon_El · Post by **Kon_El** » 2003-06-17 05:04pm

consequences wrote:Flexing your neck muscles won't work without superhuman strength, Vader can bring too much pressure to bear, .

Yeah but he is Batman. He probaly knows some super secret thing that would let him breath out of his belly button or somthing like that.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-06-17 05:08pm

I wrote:What about La Magra from blade? Both the Deacon Frost version and the 8-story tall bloodtide?

i ask again because i was ignored....

Kitsune · Post by **Kitsune** » 2003-06-17 11:05pm

consequences wrote:Flexing your neck muscles won't work without superhuman strength, Vader can bring too much pressure to bear, or he could just separate your vertebrae. and with a plan and prep time, Batman can beat just about anybody.

I got to be honest, I am really not sure about the instant force choke that some of the novels indicate is possible.