Game of Thrones Season 3 (Spoilers)

[fgalkin]

While trying to get a clip of the leeches scene

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Congratulations, Game of Thrones. You've done it! You've officially crossed into porn land!

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Vympel]

Tyrion was going to have to consummate his marriage. Regardless of how he bad he feels the entire event was created to give him a chance to use his penis on Sansa. Sure, he looks like he feels bad but not bad enough to call off the marriage (which he at least offered to do in the books, no matter what you think of his motives). He's already bent to pressure once and this is a culture that pretty much walks the bride and groom right into the bed.But oh, Sansa should really realise that this its not about her! Her concern should be with the Lannister lord that is helping his family weasel their way into her ancestral home. He had no choice!

Not to mention that to a child the cries of a grown-up about how he really has no choice but to tie himself to the heir to Winterfell and deny her possible escape are going to ring hollow.

It's perhaps a good change because we can't see Sansa's inner monologue but I think that her thoughts here made perfect sense. None of them give that much of a shit about her so why should she spare them mockery? They want to take everything from her, even the "nice" Tyrion is participating.No matter what he says he's taking part. So if the only way she can strike back when her life is being chipped away is to make Tyrion feel a bit uncomfortable then okay. The tiny rebellion is all she has left. A bit impolitic but totally understandable.

I have to wonder if the backlash you see on the Westeros forums is because she did it at all or that she did it to the fan favorite Tyrion who had his own self-pitying POV where he whined about how the girl being married to people trying to murder her family and use her as a broodmare couldn't spare him a little light ribbing. He was such a Nice Guy(TM) right?

Having to literally stand on the back of a fool to the peals of laughter of the entire wedding party is hardly "light ribbing", but the reason I find it a good change is because its quite simply petty and pointless, and Sansa knew it was too in the book and felt ashamed. Because we don't get her inner monologue and it'd be very hard to act in such a way so that is clear to the audience, it is much better to cut the scene in half to get the best of both worlds.

I'm not sure what backlash you're referring to - the only whining I've seen (not on westeros, elsewhere) is that it wasn't exactly like the book.

For my part, I was wondering where the hell her Stark cloak was.

[Scrib]

Tyrion was going to have to consummate his marriage. Regardless of how he bad he feels the entire event was created to give him a chance to use his penis on Sansa. Sure, he looks like he feels bad but not bad enough to call off the marriage (which he at least offered to do in the books, no matter what you think of his motives). He's already bent to pressure once and this is a culture that pretty much walks the bride and groom right into the bed.But oh, Sansa should really realise that this its not about her! Her concern should be with the Lannister lord that is helping his family weasel their way into her ancestral home. He had no choice!

Not to mention that to a child the cries of a grown-up about how he really has no choice but to tie himself to the heir to Winterfell and deny her possible escape are going to ring hollow.

It's perhaps a good change because we can't see Sansa's inner monologue but I think that her thoughts here made perfect sense. None of them give that much of a shit about her so why should she spare them mockery? They want to take everything from her, even the "nice" Tyrion is participating.No matter what he says he's taking part. So if the only way she can strike back when her life is being chipped away is to make Tyrion feel a bit uncomfortable then okay. The tiny rebellion is all she has left. A bit impolitic but totally understandable.

I have to wonder if the backlash you see on the Westeros forums is because she did it at all or that she did it to the fan favorite Tyrion who had his own self-pitying POV where he whined about how the girl being married to people trying to murder her family and use her as a broodmare couldn't spare him a little light ribbing. He was such a Nice Guy(TM) right?

Having to literally stand on the back of a fool to the peals of laughter of the entire wedding party is hardly "light ribbing", but the reason I find it a good change is because its quite simply petty and pointless, and Sansa knew it was too in the book and felt ashamed.

When one is faced with the knowledge that their wishes and dreams and hopes are utterly irrelevant all that's left to them is the petty and pointless actions. Sure,as a good person Sansa feels bad, but really it's difficult to feel bad for the Lannisters as a whole here.

And as for the "light ribbing" thing. As you said, it's petty and pointless. At the end of the day nothing is bruised except Tyrion's ego. He is still married to her and he still had a claim on Winterfell and was still probably going to bed her (I can't recall the sequence in the books) He can handle it.

Because we don't get her inner monologue and it'd be very hard to act in such a way so that is clear to the audience, it is much better to cut the scene in half to get the best of both worlds.

Yeah, they shift the blame unto Joff, who is basically a sponge that soaks up the shitty deeds the writers don't have the courage to let their characters do.

That might be a possible explanation for her not embarrassing Tyrion. It was exactly what Joffrey would want her to do. Lashing out is one thing, doing so when they stage has been set specifically by Joff after the things he said is something else maybe?

Tyrion's missing POV helps him here,because in the book he was more than willing to fantasize about Winterfell which has permanently split opinion on just how "forced" he was.

I'm not sure what backlash you're referring to - the only whining I've seen (not on westeros, elsewhere) is that it wasn't exactly like the book..

This is an issue on the Westeros forums, with the camps being split between those who think that Sansa is a bitch and shouldn't have done it and those that think her actions were understandable or that considering her a bitch for it is going a bit too far. It's nowhere near contentious as the argument about whether Cat is a bitch for not treating Jon as her child but it was there-or it was when I frequented the forum.

[Ahriman238]

No jousting dwarves to rub it in? Meh, it's a nitpick. I loved all the small miseries of the wedding, Tywin and Tyrion, Loras and Cersei. "Nobody cares." That was hilarious.

I'd thought the first bedding ceremony with the witnesses was purely a royal tradition, so if the wife was barren there were witnesses that the problem was with her and not because His Grace couldn't get it up?

[streetad]

From memory the jousting dwarfs were at Joffrey's wedding.

[Thanas]

I'd thought the first bedding ceremony with the witnesses was purely a royal tradition, so if the wife was barren there were witnesses that the problem was with her and not because His Grace couldn't get it up?

No, in the books Spoiler

Edmure was going to get one as well

[Scrib]

I'd thought the first bedding ceremony with the witnesses was purely a royal tradition, so if the wife was barren there were witnesses that the problem was with her and not because His Grace couldn't get it up?

Why would this line of reasoning not apply to the other lords? They're in the exact same position.

[Ahriman238]

I'd thought the first bedding ceremony with the witnesses was purely a royal tradition, so if the wife was barren there were witnesses that the problem was with her and not because His Grace couldn't get it up?

Why would this line of reasoning not apply to the other lords? They're in the exact same position.

No particular reason, I've just only ever heard of the practice in relation to royals.

Spoiler

Edmure was going to get one as well

Sure? It's been a while, but I seem to remember-
Spoiler

Edmure went upstairs with his bride right before the weapons came out. The first he knew about it was when he woke a prisoner. Wouldn't he have noticed the lack of people coming up to watch?

[Mr Bean]

Spoiler

Edmure went upstairs with his bride right before the weapons came out. The first he knew about it was when he woke a prisoner. Wouldn't he have noticed the lack of people coming up to watch?

Your memory is a little off
Spoiler

What happened was Edmure got the first bedding we saw in the books and it went well. Later in Feast for Crows we find out that after the Frey's and co bundled them into bed Lame Lothar had a dozen performers stationed outside the bedchamber to play well and loudly to encourage the "consummation".

[Mr Bean]

We have a wedding, oh a wedding in less than fifteen minutes.

[CaptHawkeye]

No music playing for the episode credits. What would fit after all?

[fgalkin]

....And the main cast has just gotten a lot smaller.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Flagg]

Well, I'm sufficiently traumatized. At least they didn't cut his dick off.

[Mr Bean]

....And the main cast has just gotten a lot smaller.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

.... but they did gain one Spoiler

Zombie Cat

Also since four people said huh at my preview. What Darrio brought Danny was the standard of Yunkai. IE the biggest flag at the highest point, it's traditional conquerors loot.

[The Vortex Empire]

Well then.

Having not read the books, definitely saw that coming. The whole episode was just going way too well. This is Game of Thrones, nothing ever goes well for anyone.

[Vaporous]

Not perfect, but still a firm A+. Well done. might have been too much of a gap between "Rains" kicking in and the crossbow bolts firing. On top of that, great episode all around.Everyone had plot advancement! How novel.

[Scrib]

No music playing for the episode credits. What would fit after all?

The same thing that started the whole thing? The Rains? But then,it was playing for most of the last ten minutes. Spoiler

I have to say that I was surprised. I don't often envy pure TV viewers but I did wonder how it would feel to see something like that fresh (it was spoiled for me the first time round) but damn, it was more brutal than I expected. That stomach stab with Jeyne...yugh.It seemed that the Blackfish was stabbed too!Wow, nice little diversion from canon and the nipping of that extraneous Fake!Jeyne plotline. Interesting to see how they do Feast now.

.Cat's little pause at the end was slightly comical I have to say.That guy had to slit her throat just to put an end to the awkwardness.

But without her madness (she was more catatonic than anything) it seems harder to justify. Walder Frey is just a prick.

[fgalkin]

I thought it was great, everyone going "well, shit, what the hell now?" A nice touch of reality, which is rarely perfectly paced.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Flagg]

"I'll get another one."

[fgalkin]

"I'll get another one."

When you're that old, "carpe diem" takes on an entirely new meaning.

might have been too much of a gap between "Rains" kicking in and the crossbow bolts firing. .

The Rains were a signal to the men outside to start the massacre. It necessarily takes them a while to get in position.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Haruko]

Even knowing what was going to happen, that scene is still giving me shivers as I type this.

[Vaporous]

might have been too much of a gap between "Rains" kicking in and the crossbow bolts firing. .

The Rains were a signal to the men outside to start the massacre. It necessarily takes them a while to get in position.

That's a good justification in universe. Didn't think of that.

Still think it might have paced the scene better.

Also, Bolton's "The Lannisters send their regards" felt rushed.

This is picking nits on a really well executed series of scenes.

[fgalkin]

Oh man, Twitter is aflame with angry fans!

https://twitter.com/RedWeddingTears

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Mr Bean]

Also, Bolton's "The Lannisters send their regards" felt rushed.

It's supposed to be "Jamie Lannister sends his regards". It's a joke on his part since the last thing Jamie says to Bolton before leaving is "Give Robb Stark my regards".

So Roose Bolton (Trollton) makes a private joke of it "Jamie Lannister sends his regards" and then stabs Robb.

Also for long time watchers Larry Williams of OtakuAssemble announced his last GoT video would be the season finale as he's giving up on the show. Which is funny considering he got about nine thousand subscribers after his high spirited review of Season 1 netted him lots of free publicity over at Tower of the Hand and Winter is Coming the two big Song of Ice and Fire fan websites.

Further as Sean Bean mentioned in an interview, lots of the cast and crew watched his reviews because his reaction was so upbeat but honest. He was just some random Youtube guy doing Anime reviews but his GoT reviews went viral and the show runners started watching it after his episode nine of season one reaction video covered perfectly the audience reaction they were going for. The video in question

But as time went on you could see the passion go out of reviews so it's most likely for the best.

[Darth Quorthon]

Even though I knew it was coming, that scene was hard to watch. I liked the Robb Stark character, but like it or not, he fucked up, and the Lannisters pounced on it, no pun intended. I guess it's perfectly set up for Joffrey to rub it in Sansa's face in the season finale and leave everyone to stew over it until next year.