KraytKing wrote: ↑2022-06-09 01:46pm
ray245 wrote: ↑2022-06-09 04:38am
Meh. A boomer rant.
Too bad the kids grew up enjoying the prequels and basically ignores what people like you tried to enforce what Star Wars fans should or should not like.
It's a good thing voices like yours is becoming a minority now with time. Your kind of attitude got us the Star Wars sequels.
Wait. What?
I'm twenty one. I was born after Phantom Menace. I DID grow up with the prequels, I used to LOVE Revenge of the Sith. But they are as close to objectively bad storytelling as you can get, and so I hate them now. Not for ruining Star Wars, but because they are
bad movies.
What about that thinking brought us the sequels? The problem has been the same for both trilogies, people with no creativity and no respect for consumers thought they knew what good Star Wars, or good storytelling, should be. The sequels wouldn't have been good any way you slice it, because the wrong people were in charge. It ended up being nothing but derivative nonsense that religiously aped the appearance of the originals while containing none of what made them actually good, but if the reaction to the prequels had been good, then it would have been some other heartless mush with no feeling whatsoever.
Rogue One was how it's done. Same with 2003 Clone Wars, and little bits of 2008 Clone Wars if you isolate them from context. Because actually creative people were allowed to run free and tell a
story, not write the script calculated to wring the most money from our pockets.
Have you got any actual quarrels with things I said? Or just a handwave and dismissal as the mad ravings of an entitled fan from another time?
Galvatron wrote: ↑2022-06-09 12:38am
I may not hate it as much as you do since my enthusiasm for Star Wars has never really recovered since 1999, but I couldn't disagree with a single thing you said.
In fact, I want to read about the "hundred more little things." There must be
something we'd disagree on.
Lol, I appreciate the ego boost. Well, here's everything else I thought was dumb.
The meat harvesting assembly line Kenobi works in. They show a curious lack of haste, don't you think? It was moderately interesting the first day, but then they come back to the same animal for two more days? No visible relief shift? Wouldn't they have only a little time to harvest meat before it spoils?
When the Inquisitors arrive on Tatooine. This is a scummy backwater, far from the authority of the Empire. Maybe they DON'T all instantly recognize the Inquisitors and bow in fear.
Where was the scum and villainy, for that matter? Where were the gruff types who grudgingly cooperate with Imperials, only when credits are involved?
The timeline was already fucked up by the prequels, but if Darth Vader isn't even the only guy in black armor with a lightsaber and telekinesis, then Admiral Motti's interaction with him is pretty fuckin dumb. I'm okay with Inquisitors, mind you, but they should be a pretty secretive thing. They work in the shadows, and they CERTAINLY aren't famous enough to be instantly recognized on
Tatooine. Especially if they're aliens.
Other Jedi schmuck. He was pretty boring. He still dressed like a Jedi. He did not at all seem like the kind of guy to evade a galactic-scale manhunt for ten years. He might have looked tougher or been smarter or SOMETHING.
Why did Kenobi have to be convinced to dig up his lightsabers? The point of his continued existence after ROTS is to train Luke to one day destroy his father and the Empire. Meaning he still needs lightsabers. This gets back to the bigger point, which is that I don't think Kenobi needs any more character arc than he has already had, such as realizing that the galaxy does still need Jedi.
Princess Leia's scenes were a little offensive, honestly. Making absolutely clear that she is royal, and her life is better because of it.
Kumail Nanjiani's character. Is that really the best hustle he can come up with? Pretend to be one of the most wanted men in the galaxy to earn a few credits? Why does he need to pretend to use telekinesis and mind tricks, couldn't he just tell people he has an inside guy and sell passage the regular way? The kid he works with just needs to say "Jedi" to the wrong guy ONCE, and then they both end up shot or in an Imperial prison without trial. It's like pretending to be a Jew in 1943 Germany; there is no reason to, and it just puts a HUGE target on your head.
Darth Vader's suit-up scene. It was really cool, until they put his helmet on. The mask is a separate piece from the top, but they put it on in one go. Why? It didn't affect the scene at all, it just was a miss on an extremely basic technical detail.
Why did they design ANOTHER Imperial shuttle for the Inquisitors to use? Every Star Wars show and movie is addicted to using the same characters and inventing new equipment, when it should be the other way around. Everything in the OT looks
old, but it's hard to see how it GOT old when they invent new shit every six months. Also, the new shuttle design was way more slick and sleek than the regular Imperial Shuttle, the same disease every new model has. Krennic's shuttle in Rogue One was particularly guilty.
Vader doesn't sit down, he just perpetually paces or stands menacingly. And when he sits, he DEFINITELY doesn't sit in huge thrones. I love the concept of his Mustafar palace, but they screwed up with the throne.
The amount of carnage Vader caused walking down the street was a little excessive. I get that he's supposed to be evil, but he's a MEASURED evil. The Inquisitor lady who we're told in the first episode is off her rocker is the one who just randomly slaughters people while walking down the street.
It took Kenobi and Vader a while to detect each other, don't you think? The sensed each other from MILES apart on the Death Star, but when they finally meet, they don't realize until they're a few hundred feet distant.
Quinlan Vos signed his name on the wall of the safe house, as did other Jedi. First, it implies that a HUGE number of Jedi evaded Order 66 and makes one wonder why Yoda and Kenobi spent so much effort on Luke. Couldn't they have rounded up those dozens of already-trained Jedi and attached them to the Rebel Alliance? Might ONE of them have joined the Rebellion before ANH? Second, that's great security, again. All it takes is for that ONE safe house to get busted, and there's a record of every Jedi who went through it. Importance is immediately ratcheted up from "we caught a Jedi here" to "we might catch EVERY Jedi here."
Stupid fight scene between Kenobi and the stormtroopers outside the laser gate. He very obviously reaches for his blaster, and neither of the two troopers shoot him? What were they waiting for? Why did they flinch out of the way when he shot the probe droid? And why is he even good with a blaster at all? I don't think he should have been troubled by a squad of stormtroopers, but there are ways to get him through it while still portraying the stormtroopers as a competent force to be feared.
Three foot tall laser gate, that you could easily go around. It isn't the focus of the episode, but it wouldn't be hard to design it to not be eye-catchingly silly.
Leia waffles between the intelligence of a five-year-old and the wisdom of a Jedi. Obi-Wan really can't convince a ten year old that he isn't hiding anything? But at the same time, she just blabs on and on in public that he has a lightsaber and is a Jedi? Why would he even show her that? She has no need to be privy to that information. She is going to be under close Imperial scrutiny for her entire life, and if at ANY point she lets slip that she was rescued by a man with a lightsaber, she and her whole family die or are imprisoned and mind-raped to give him up.
Why do the Inquisitors know that Anakin and Darth Vader are the same person? Vader himself barely acknowledges that fact, you think he would make sure that his attack dogs know it? The Emperor actively wants to DESTROY the existence of Anakin, so why would HE tell? And why would the story of Anakin and Obi-Wan's clash be common knowledge, either? Or their relationship? The Jedi Order was wiped out, its records destroyed. There is no reason for any Inquisitors to know anything about Anakin.
Not so much a problem, just wishful thinking on my part: I wish we would see Vader or Kenobi thrash one of the Inquisitors. They get built up to be total badasses, then just get destroyed on a whim by a real Jedi or Sith. Like the fight between Ventress and Dooku in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars.
Anyway, this is all the whining I've got. Pretty much all of this would have been acceptable if the rest of the show was good, or if they were spread out over ten episodes instead of just three. But it isn't, so these piss me off even more. Someone argue with me over some of these, I fucking love arguing.