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Mobird53 wrote:Correct if i'm wrong but doesn't han solo say a couple of times when he's about to make the jump. "hang on I'm gonna make the jump to light speed". That has always had me confused on how fast it really is. So then wouldn't Hyper speed really be light speed or??????????? what??
lightspeed being used for hyperspeed is pretty much the same thing as a person who dosent know the difference between the wheel's of a car and the tires of the car. It seems Han was patroinizing LukeMobird53 wrote:Correct if i'm wrong but doesn't han solo say a couple of times when he's about to make the jump. "hang on I'm gonna make the jump to light speed". That has always had me confused on how fast it really is. So then wouldn't Hyper speed really be light speed or??????????? what??
Other than the links provided do you really think that the Falcon could go from the Outer Rim to Alderaan in less than a day if it was travelling at the speed of light?Mobird53 wrote:Correct if i'm wrong but doesn't han solo say a couple of times when he's about to make the jump. "hang on I'm gonna make the jump to light speed". That has always had me confused on how fast it really is. So then wouldn't Hyper speed really be light speed or??????????? what??
it seems that he was patrionizing Luke. Han knows its faster than lightspeed. he dosent expect Luke to know how fast hyperspeed really is so he uses lightspeed, Han assumes that Luke knows lightspeed is pretty darn fast (probally patroinizing the pre-science fiction/real science afficondos)Mobird53 wrote:Don't get me wrong i knew it was faster and all, it's just that this website and the other links provided say and show how fast it is but none of them explained why han said that, i was just curious as to what you guys thought.
Then it would make no sense since if such a point existed then any and all references to speed as well as other physical terms would be impossible since we don't have a common reference.Sam Or I wrote:I have always taken it as traveling at the speed of light in hyperspace (Assuming physics works differently).
I was not saying their physics work differently, but physics in hyperspace works differently. Granted I have no proof. It was an assumption on my part, that hyperspace equals a different dimension. All physics would not be the same in this case. (But I am speeking out of my ass at this point, I assumed it all with nothing to really back it up.)Ghost Rider wrote: With that thought on one hand: "They go faster light" or "They have a different set of physics thus this why they go lightspeed.". One requires an immense more of explaination to make work in any circumstances.
It's probably slang.Mobird53 wrote:none of them explained why han said that, i was just curious as to what you guys thought.
Probably, it's like naming a species of lizard a dragon and then acting like it's an actual dragon. (I HAVE run into at least half a dozen people who think like this and used Komodo, Bearded, and Water Dragons as proof that Dragons exist; then they tried to argue that the special Discovery Channel did on Dragons was about how dragons are real and alive instead of a 'what if' thing)HSRTG wrote:It's probably slang.Mobird53 wrote:none of them explained why han said that, i was just curious as to what you guys thought.
or the jumpdrive for a millisecond goes the speed of lightKnife wrote:'Jump to lightspeed' might just be a colloquialism for 'faster than light speed'. No need to go out of our way to explain it, though I suppose the ramp up to hyperspace could have a ship nearing 'light speed' there by granting the name/sloagan.
Psst, Hyperspace isn't a separate dimension from Realspace: it's simply Realspace observed from a tachyonic (FTL) perspective.Sam Or I wrote:My ASSumption explained. Physics in normal space for the SW verse are just like ours. Once a ship enters hyperspace, physics are slightly different, distance between planets is shorter, and light speed is not the barrier. So with the point five past light speed remark, I assumed that in hyperspace, with the set different physics, the falcon was capable of going faster than the speed of light with its hyperdrive.
Also going on this theory was the explination in my mind of how the Falcon got to Bespin. If the hyperdrive is the drive that allows a ship to move faster than light in hyperspace, it may have nothing to do with entering hyperspace. So in other words, the falcon could have entered hyperspace with its normal engines, not at the FTL speeds, but still could have taken advatage of the shortened distance hyperspace provides, just at sub light speeds.
This was just my pet theory to make the movies make sense in my mind. Maybe they are completely wrong, I do not read much of the EU, I have read only 2 books in the SW galaxy.
OK, no argument. I was just thinking along the lines of B-5 hyperspace, for what ever reason it is a brain bug I have. It most likely stems from Star Control 2.Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Psst, Hyperspace isn't a separate dimension from Realspace: it's simply Realspace observed from a tachyonic (FTL) perspective.Sam Or I wrote:My ASSumption explained. Physics in normal space for the SW verse are just like ours. Once a ship enters hyperspace, physics are slightly different, distance between planets is shorter, and light speed is not the barrier. So with the point five past light speed remark, I assumed that in hyperspace, with the set different physics, the falcon was capable of going faster than the speed of light with its hyperdrive.
Also going on this theory was the explination in my mind of how the Falcon got to Bespin. If the hyperdrive is the drive that allows a ship to move faster than light in hyperspace, it may have nothing to do with entering hyperspace. So in other words, the falcon could have entered hyperspace with its normal engines, not at the FTL speeds, but still could have taken advatage of the shortened distance hyperspace provides, just at sub light speeds.
This was just my pet theory to make the movies make sense in my mind. Maybe they are completely wrong, I do not read much of the EU, I have read only 2 books in the SW galaxy.
This is what I always assumed it meant: you're literally ramping up to lightspeed and then (through what everyone assumes is some quantum effect that becomes relevant at very high velocities, very high relative mass, very small relative cross-section, or something) jumping over the lightspeed barrier.Knife wrote:'Jump to lightspeed' might just be a colloquialism for 'faster than light speed'. No need to go out of our way to explain it, though I suppose the ramp up to hyperspace could have a ship nearing 'light speed' there by granting the name/sloagan.
It's a bit more than that: recall that Obi Wan Kenobi pointedly asks how long it will be before Han can make the jump to lightspeed in that same segment of ANH. Also, when Gen. Veers reports to Lord Vader on the fleet's arrival at Hoth and the detection of the energy shield, Vader concludes that Adm. Ozzel brought the fleet out of lightspeed too close to the star system. In the SW paradigm, the term "lightspeed" would be the referent to all velocities attainable in hyperspace past the actual c limit in much the same way as we refer to "supersonic flight" today in terms of air travel past Dr. Mach's sound barrier.Tychu wrote:it seems that he was patrionizing Luke. Han knows its faster than lightspeed. he dosent expect Luke to know how fast hyperspeed really is so he uses lightspeed, Han assumes that Luke knows lightspeed is pretty darn fast (probally patroinizing the pre-science fiction/real science afficondos)
Probably just inaccurate slang. It's not unheard of, after all.Mobird53 wrote:Don't get me wrong i knew it was faster and all, it's just that this website and the other links provided say and show how fast it is but none of them explained why han said that, i was just curious as to what you guys thought.
you can have a choice, really. Either the 'jump to lightspeed' could refer to the actual 'hopp' over the c barrier, or as Degan points out, just jumping to ftl, much like we say supersonic now-a-days.Surlethe wrote:This is what I always assumed it meant: you're literally ramping up to lightspeed and then (through what everyone assumes is some quantum effect that becomes relevant at very high velocities, very high relative mass, very small relative cross-section, or something) jumping over the lightspeed barrier.Knife wrote:'Jump to lightspeed' might just be a colloquialism for 'faster than light speed'. No need to go out of our way to explain it, though I suppose the ramp up to hyperspace could have a ship nearing 'light speed' there by granting the name/sloagan.
I could see the language taking this term -- possibly jargon -- and then turning it into a colloquialism, so that "lightspeed" just means "hyperspace" (e.g., "Admiral Ozzel has brought us out of lightspeed too close to the system").
I'd always thought of it the same way in my own personal universeSam Or I wrote:OK, no argument. I was just thinking along the lines of B-5 hyperspace, for what ever reason it is a brain bug I have. It most likely stems from Star Control 2.Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Psst, Hyperspace isn't a separate dimension from Realspace: it's simply Realspace observed from a tachyonic (FTL) perspective.Sam Or I wrote:My ASSumption explained. Physics in normal space for the SW verse are just like ours. Once a ship enters hyperspace, physics are slightly different, distance between planets is shorter, and light speed is not the barrier. So with the point five past light speed remark, I assumed that in hyperspace, with the set different physics, the falcon was capable of going faster than the speed of light with its hyperdrive.
Also going on this theory was the explanation in my mind of how the Falcon got to Bespin. If the hyper-drive is the drive that allows a ship to move faster than light in hyperspace, it may have nothing to do with entering hyperspace. So in other words, the falcon could have entered hyperspace with its normal engines, not at the FTL speeds, but still could have taken advantage of the shortened distance hyperspace provides, just at sub light speeds.
This was just my pet theory to make the movies make sense in my mind. Maybe they are completely wrong, I do not read much of the EU, I have read only 2 books in the SW galaxy.
They way it's talked about always makes it seem like it's an alternate space you jump into and out of as opposed to normal space from from the perspective of someone moving faster than light. I'd always thought the Hyperdrive motivator jumped you into this alternate space where your engines perform differently than in real space but are still used allowing your to reach and pass the speed of light without the use of infinite energy or being affected by time distortion issues. Just because it isn't Saxtons theory doesn't mean you can't hang on to it in private? 