Sorry, Connor, but waiting for your reply to this is likely to be detrimental to my health.
ronindave wrote:
Chill on the nerd rage a bit. why don't you? What I said was prefectly consistent. At the very bottom line this is all about storytelling. Star Wars is not Star Trek and never the twain shall (or should) meet. Technical problems in Star Wars are less about the science and more about presenting an obstacle for the character to overcome.
Out of universe? Probably yes. Who cares? That doesn't invalidate in-universe concerns.
Going on about the logistics of raising an army in the Star Wars universe given what was established in the original movies with their grandiose armadas, Death Stars, Star Destroyers, I don't think fiscal budgets played much into it.
What grandiose armadas? The biggest fleet we ever saw in the OT was a couple dozen or so Star Destroyers at the battle of Bespin.
And what have the finances of the Empire(which is, you know, a dictatorship, meaning money will go wherever the head honcho
says it will) got to do with the Old Republic ?
It's hard to believe that in-universe they couldn't raise a force to combat the Separtists.
Because what, you say so? We're talking about a society that hasn't had to deal with large scale conflict for
millenia And who says they
couldn't? They couldn't
in time to matter. Give the Republic a decade or seven, and they very probably
could build a military to stand up to the Seperatists. That's odd, they didn't
have that time.
The clones were created under too suspicious of circumstances even without the knowledge the audience has. If the clone template is found working for your enemy and the clones were said to have been ordered by the Jedi Council which they didn't, it spells a trap. The Jedi's motivation for accepting these clones and not suspecting them is a weakness of the script IMHO.
An army whose loyalty is potentially dubious (yet proves to be solid beyond anything you could ask of an
ordinary army up until the final betrayal) beats no army at all.
The question of this thread was is Clone Wars cannon.
Seriously, would it kill you people to properly spell canon? Dropping that second n in the middle can't be all that hard.
That clip is from Clone Wars. If it is canon then out of the 10,000 Jedi I" told that the EU says are around this time then out of that number if 5% are as powerful as Mace or slightly less
Where, pray tell, does that 5% number come from?
than they could effectively handle the droids - especially the wimpy ones. Anakin and Obiwan for example. But by your scoffing of this Clone Wars clip, I assume you don't believe the Clone Wars is cannon. I can certainly agree with you there.
Where, if you could be bothered to elaborate, does Connor saying Mace isn't the baseline for Jedi capabilities equal to dismissing the clip as not canon? Not that I see why this is relevant. Mace Windu (or Yoda, or Anakin for that matter) tossing droids left right and center by the truckload is moderately irrelevant. That's going to help them in
space combat how exactly?
Constant? You mean consistent? But I have been. I don't accept the Clone Wars as cannon outside and inside.
Thankfully, that decision isn't yours to make.
The whole Clone Wars saga from movie to show I have problem with from storytelling perspective because there is no struggle in a war created and controlled by one man.
Because-you say so. Everybody
else seems to be perfectly capable of understanding how The Clone Wars rendering the Clones people rather than fleshy robots
improved on their depiction of them, and made their final betrayal all that more tragic.
In-universe I have a problem with the Jedi's decision to use the clones despite all the evidence presented to them that something is clearly not right with the whole way they were created.
Clones-an army readily available, however dubious its origins. Separatists- an army definitely available. Rest of the Republic-nothing. Yeah, who would go with the Clone army when the only alternative is automatic defeat?
The Clone Wars storyline is too unbelievable
Because...you say so. What's unbelievable about it?
None of this tragedy is apparent in ROTS.
Which naturally means it couldn't possibly have been introduced
later. As in, when they did the Clone Wars cartoons.
Look how these tragic figures keep shooting Jedi chick in the back as she falls at 1:22. Oh, the tragedy! We are not suppose to feel sorry for them in this scene!
Notice the bolded.
They're bad guys! The fact that you do worries me as it would any pyschologist
Frankly your state of mind worries me a lot more than Connors. The clonetroopers were, somehow, made to betray the Jedi via Order 66.
Up to and until then they performed bravely, and compassionately and decidedly NOT evil-ly . There's zero evidence for clonetroopers misbehaving during the Clone Wars (feel free to present evidence to the contrary).
Connor MacLeod wrote: That the Storm troopers decades later may be "evil" has no bearing on that.
Yes it does. That's how a prequel story works - to show how things got to be when the original story opened.
Which is completely correct and completely false at the same time.
Yes, a prequel generally shows how how things got to where the original show opens. Doesn't mean the situations are
identical. Just because the guys in the white armour in the OT are working for the Bad Guys doesn't mean the guys in the white armour in the PT are.
As it turned out, they were, but
until Order 66 was invoked, the clones were working for the Good Guys.
The fact that in the original trilogy the Rebellion Alliance was able to create a fighting force out of those who did not want to be oppressed by the Empire. If the Republic was under threat of war and invasion I think a fighting force could have been easily put together of those who would want to defend themselves and their home planets.
It's a pity the Republic
wasn't. Until the seperatists showed up the Republic had been at peace (well, largely) for
thousands of years. Enter the Clone Army, which just happens to be available when you need a strong military
right the fuck now.
And just for the record, the Rebel Alliance
never were a credible military threat.