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So, judging by your example, if the opening scroll mentions Count Dooku kidnapping Palpatine, and the final CW episode shows how this happens, that makes the episode G-canon?Pcm979 wrote:Another example, more pertinant to the CW miniseries would be if Obi or Ani says something like, "Remember that battle on Munnilist?" but doesn't elaborate any further then the events on Munnilist will 'trickle up' into G level, although you have to take it a bit tongue-in-cheek because of the medium.
Nope, you're going backward. If Munnilist is mentioned in ROTS, then the planet itself is canon. Characters mentioning events in G-level canon in an EU medium means nothing. That's that's what the EU is supposed to do.VT-16 wrote:So, judging by your example, if the opening scroll mentions Count Dooku kidnapping Palpatine, and the final CW episode shows how this happens, that makes the episode G-canon?Pcm979 wrote:Another example, more pertinant to the CW miniseries would be if Obi or Ani says something like, "Remember that battle on Munnilist?" but doesn't elaborate any further then the events on Munnilist will 'trickle up' into G level, although you have to take it a bit tongue-in-cheek because of the medium.
*waits*
Anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered "G" canon.
Ultimately yes, but they still don't override the movies.Kurgan wrote:ANYTHING? Ok then. Thanks. ; )
The only trouble is Lucas's conflicting statements, but I guess we just take his latest statements over past ones if they contradict...?
I´m not talking about characters in EU mentioning movie trivia, I´m talking about events mentioned in a movie being shown in EU.Nope, you're going backward. If Munnilist is mentioned in ROTS, then the planet itself is canon. Characters mentioning events in G-level canon in an EU medium means nothing. That's that's what the EU is supposed to do.
Okay...his stuff has to be proven.Kurgan wrote:Well, therein it gets tricky. How reasonable is he being?
If he said that Yoda was yellow and in fact wearing green makeup (as part of his cultural heritage of course)... well? ; )
It's silly, but I'm saying, either we can freely ignore his comments, take them with a certain grain of salt, or assume they are true, unless "contradicted by the films."
I mean, his dialouge is just dialouge right?
Here are a few examples I'm thinking of specifically:
Stormtroopers are clones. <--- contradicted by the films right?
We've had the arguments made that they are different heights and have different voices. But it could be explained that not all the clones are of Jango, or the stock was modified genetically sometime in the decades since, or that non-clones are shuffled into the ranks.
The Dark Side is stronger. <---- Yoda could be spouting BS, not giving Luke the whole story on account of wanting to give him confidence, or Yoda could honestly simply not have all the facts. After all Yoda believed that one couldn't come back from the Dark Side (thus implying that Anakin couldn't be turned back).
I don't have an easy solution to this idea, I'm just trying to understand a way that it could be understood and workable (if such a thing is possible).
Then effectively he's sodding green!Kurgan wrote:If he said that Yoda was yellow and in fact wearing green makeup (as part of his cultural heritage of course)... well? ; )
It gets harder and harder to explain. Certainly, a certain percentage could be holdovers from the Clone era, but the percentage should get smaller and smaller.Stormtroopers are clones. <--- contradicted by the films right?
We've had the arguments made that they are different heights and have different voices. But it could be explained that not all the clones are of Jango, or the stock was modified genetically sometime in the decades since, or that non-clones are shuffled into the ranks.
Or maybe he just has a totally different conception of "stronger." We, being scientifically minded and not worry too much about delicate philosophies, tend to relate Strength to Observable Feats. Such as the legends of Sith being powerful enough to rip cores out of suns. Or who can beat who in a Lightsaber Duel. But he might be meaning a different kind of strength ... more a inner, mental one that's hard to evaluate, and I suppose that's an area where the Light Side user would have the advantage. It does take a certain kind of discipline to have power and insist on yourself being not a Despot, not a Ruler, not even an Equal in some senses, but a Servant.The Dark Side is stronger. <---- Yoda could be spouting BS, not giving Luke the whole story on account of wanting to give him confidence, or Yoda could honestly simply not have all the facts. After all Yoda believed that one couldn't come back from the Dark Side (thus implying that Anakin couldn't be turned back).
I'm not planning to pull a DarkStar and claim or imply that Lucas's words are the only "real" Star Wars (even if that were true, it would be based on interpretations of his intent which are... open to interpretation since we can't read his thoughts!), rather I just wondered if, his words actually are considered part of G-Level canon officially. That at least sets the bar on how much stock we should put (if any) into what he says about his works.Ghost Rider wrote:Okay...his stuff has to be proven.Kurgan wrote:Well, therein it gets tricky. How reasonable is he being?
If he said that Yoda was yellow and in fact wearing green makeup (as part of his cultural heritage of course)... well? ; )
It's silly, but I'm saying, either we can freely ignore his comments, take them with a certain grain of salt, or assume they are true, unless "contradicted by the films."
I mean, his dialouge is just dialouge right?
Here are a few examples I'm thinking of specifically:
Stormtroopers are clones. <--- contradicted by the films right?
We've had the arguments made that they are different heights and have different voices. But it could be explained that not all the clones are of Jango, or the stock was modified genetically sometime in the decades since, or that non-clones are shuffled into the ranks.
The Dark Side is stronger. <---- Yoda could be spouting BS, not giving Luke the whole story on account of wanting to give him confidence, or Yoda could honestly simply not have all the facts. After all Yoda believed that one couldn't come back from the Dark Side (thus implying that Anakin couldn't be turned back).
I don't have an easy solution to this idea, I'm just trying to understand a way that it could be understood and workable (if such a thing is possible).
If you want to hurt yourself by re-examining everything consider this.
One coiuld literally say that George Lucas does not exist in the same capacity that Gene Roddenberry does not exist and that their words are supplimentry to their worlds.
The reason the movies remain number one and have to be directly contradicted by the movies and not by them, is just that fact alone. Their words, notes and commentarys are like the novels...supplimentry to the movie, not primary.
Why? Mentioning it in the movie makes automatically G level the fact that there was a battle on Muunlist. However, in my opinion, the description of the battle (from other sources than GL) remains C level, just like 95% of the ICS books are C.Pcm979 wrote:Another example, more pertinant to the CW miniseries would be if Obi or Ani says something like, "Remember that battle on Munnilist?" but doesn't elaborate any further then the events on Munnilist will 'trickle up' into G level, although you have to take it a bit tongue-in-cheek because of the medium.
That's right. Which is why Darkstar went on his rampage saying the in the SE the Alderaan Shield had "disappeared"VT-16 wrote:I believe with the films, it´s the newest versions that override the older.
The Original Nex wrote:That's right. Which is why Darkstar went on his rampage saying the in the SE the Alderaan Shield had "disappeared"VT-16 wrote:I believe with the films, it´s the newest versions that override the older.
