Starfighters and their modern day counterparts

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-28 04:18pm

My navy lexikon labels Scharnhorst and Gneisenau as Große Kreuzer.
That is, battlecruisers.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-28 04:31pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Heh, durring one mission a flight of ME-109s (Japs had a few) decided to bank right infront of his mission element. They all opened fire with their .50s and killed every single 109.
By a few, just two, and they never saw combat, they where used to help test out new IJA and IJN fighter designs.

All reports of Japanese Me109's in combat have proven false. There where also reports of JU-88's,188's, HE-111's, Stukas, SM.79's,Fu-190's and a couple others. Chances are his flight gunned down some Ki-61's, which have a resemblance to the Me.109

Must have been, because when he said it was a 109 I questioned that to, since that was a German plane.

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-28 05:48pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:My navy lexikon labels Scharnhorst and Gneisenau as Große Kreuzer.
That is, battlecruisers.

And the Deutschlands were Panzerkreuzer - really, armored cruiser (what eventually came to mean heavy cruiser. CA = Cruiser, Armored)

Ignorant_Boy · Post by **Ignorant_Boy** » 2002-09-28 06:02pm

www.warships1.com calls them Schlachtkreuzers, battlecruisers...

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-28 06:05pm

Ignorant_Boy wrote:www.warships1.com calls them Schlachtkreuzers, battlecruisers...

"Schlacht" is a form of "schlagen", "to hit"

Therefore, these are "hitting cruisers"

I believe Frank has the correct terminology. He is German, after all

Ignorant_Boy · Post by **Ignorant_Boy** » 2002-09-28 06:13pm

Ok, sorry. Last time I trust BableFish...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-28 06:14pm

RayCav of ASVS wrote:
Ignorant_Boy wrote:www.warships1.com calls them Schlachtkreuzers, battlecruisers...
"Schlacht" is a form of "schlagen", "to hit"

Therefore, these are "hitting cruisers"

I believe Frank has the correct terminology. He is German, after all

warships1 also has them in its German battleships section as well as cruisers, and the debates over which is correct have gone on for pages on there forums, with battleship constantly winning.

Call them what you want though, I dont really give a damn.

Headshots_Sold_Here · Post by **Headshots_Sold_Here** » 2002-09-28 06:33pm

Lets get back on topic: argue parrelels between SW and modern day fighters. Enough batlleship and WW2 stuff, modern day.
And no, I am not posting this because I don't know shit about battleships and WW2 aircraft

Ignorant_Boy · Post by **Ignorant_Boy** » 2002-09-28 08:46pm

Headshots_Sold_Here wrote:Lets get back on topic: argue parrelels between SW and modern day fighters. Enough batlleship and WW2 stuff, modern day.
And no, I am not posting this because I don't know shit about battleships and WW2 aircraft

Hmm....
X-Wing = F-15 Eagle
Y-Wing = F-4 Phantom
A-Wing = [no modern equivalent; only the bigger planes have the power to go fast and heavy is the opposite to what the A-Wing is] Perhaps the S-37 Bekrut (Yeah I know that's a Russian plane, but it's a light Russian plane...
B-Wing = Panavia Tornado
E-Wing = F-22 Raptor (by the sounds of it)

TIE Fighter = MiG-21 Fishbed/MiG-23 Flogger
TIE Bomber = MiG-27 Flogger (don't know about Su-25; TIE-B isn't exactly designed to support gound forces is it?)
TIE Interceptor = MiG-29 Fulcrum
TIE Avenger = Su-27 Flanker
TIE Defender = MiG 1.42

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-28 09:16pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Call them what you want though, I dont really give a damn.

Hmmm, funny. I feel the same about you.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-28 10:15pm

(don't know about Su-25; TIE-B isn't exactly designed to support gound forces is it?)

*Hint Proton BOMBS, remeber when in TESB when the TIE Bombers are ummm bombing the ground looking for Han?

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2002-09-29 03:56am

The way I see it

A-Wing- F-16 (Or maybe the EuroFighter Typhoon)
Y-Wing- A-6 or an A-7
X-Wing- F-15
B-Wing- F-117
E-Wing- Joint Strike Fighter

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-29 04:29am

RayCav of ASVS wrote:
Ignorant_Boy wrote:www.warships1.com calls them Schlachtkreuzers, battlecruisers...
"Schlacht" is a form of "schlagen", "to hit"

Therefore, these are "hitting cruisers"

I believe Frank has the correct terminology. He is German, after all

Schlacht means battle.
schlachten means to slaughter and has nothing to do with schlagen.
Schlachtkreuzer therefore is battlecruiser, although their designation in the naval registers was Grosser Kreuzer.

Panzerkreuzer is protected/armored cruiser.

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-29 11:15am

Opps, my bad

nothing wrong with that. ~Cpt_Frank

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2002-09-30 03:39am

NF_Utvol wrote:E-Wing - P-51 - The Cadillac of Fighters

Tie Interceptor - FW-190 - The New Fast Bird
Tie Defender OR Tie Advanced x1 - The ME-262 - Good plane, but too late to make a difference

Missile Boat - Bristol Beufighter or Mosquito

Hmm the the E-Wing is an excellent dogfighter. This can't be said
about the P-51. F8F makes more sense.
The FW-190 is a sturdy aircraft with an average manuverability. The
only german aircraft that could fit here is the Me109F.
T/D and T/A are very manuverable. The 262 is closer to the Missile Boat.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-30 05:24am

The FW 190 was superior to the BF 109 in every aspect, especially speed and maneuverability.
BF 109 = TIE
and
FW 290 = TIE Interceptor
is a good comparison.

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2002-09-30 07:16am

Cpt_Frank wrote:The FW 190 was superior to the BF 109 in every aspect, especially speed and maneuverability.
BF 109 = TIE
and
FW 290 = TIE Interceptor
is a good comparison.

Not true.

Fw190D9 about 685 kph
Bf109K4 about 710kph

earlier variants are mostly around 630kph for both types.

The Bf109 will outturn the Fw190 unless you add extra
cannons to both crafts. The 109 is also the better climber.
The 190 has a better firepower , durability and rollrate.

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2002-09-30 04:09pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
RayCav of ASVS wrote:correct: Scharnhorst battlecruiser
Wrong

A battlecruiser trades armor for cruiser speed and battleship armament. The Sharnhorst had cruiser speed and battleship armor while mounting a fairly light main battery. They are not battlecruisers but rather smallish battleships.

Learn somthing about the topic before you attempt to correct people.

IIRC the Scharnhorst was meant to have a 15" main battery but they didn't have the guns so it used 11.1" guns. There were plans to re-arm them but they never got round to it.

RadiO · Post by **RadiO** » 2002-09-30 06:39pm

The A-Wing is clearly

the P-39 Airacobra. Look at the evidence:

* Small, agile, yet well-armed fighter.
* Relatively rare and thus has an air of the exotic about it.
* Has some technical issues which make it potentially dangerous in some cirumstances - but those who know the fighter well swear by it, becoming adversaries to be feared.

cabal_88 · Post by **cabal_88** » 2002-09-30 06:40pm

I'm horny! Where's my sister and her donkey? It's threesome-time!

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-30 06:46pm

Can I borrow some of those previously mentioned b-52s?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-30 06:46pm

DON'T FEED THE TROLL

RadiO · Post by **RadiO** » 2002-09-30 07:03pm

Man, this is fucking comical.

But anyway, the B-Wing... Maybe it's the Tse-Tse modified Mosquito, with the heavy cannon for anti-ship work:

* Fairly large aircraft for a fighter-bomber, but one with a small crew and high speed (as a B-Wing with the shields and guns turned off can be almost as fast as an X-Wing).
* Massive cannon and gun armament.
* An unconventional design.
* Intended for a specialised role, but can perform other tasks if need be.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2002-09-30 09:58pm

For WW2 fighters:

Z- 95 - an early modelCurtis P40

X-Wing - Supermarine Spitfire (Famous, highly used fighter/interceptor)

Y-Wing - DeHavilland Mosquito Bomber (a nice rugged fighter-bomber)
B-Wing - P47 (Heavy fighter-bomber)

A-Wing - hmmm kinda stumped on this one, the P-63 Kingcobra perhaps?

E-Wing - P51 (top of the line, high performance fighter)

TIE Fighter - ME-109E (a decent, very widely used fighter at the start of the war)

TIE Interceptor - Focke Wulf 190A (fast and well armed fighter/interceptor)

TIE Defender - This is definately the ME-262 Jet fighter

TIE Bomber - The Heinkel HE-111 (low performance yet common tactical
bomber)

Scimitar Assault Bomber - The Arado 234 "Blitz" twin jet bomber

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2002-10-01 12:52pm

Thunderfire wrote:
NF_Utvol wrote:E-Wing - P-51 - The Cadillac of Fighters

Hmm the the E-Wing is an excellent dogfighter. This can't be said
about the P-51. quote]
Uh, yeah, the P-51D was a superb dogfighter, with a good balance of armament, apeed, and maneuverability. Unless you are talking about the P-51B, which was incredibly underpowered with its Allison engine.

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