So in Disney/Marvel's Hidden Empire #1 there's this scene:
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I think namedropping "Darth Sidious" will give you a "nice" visit from inquisitors, BDZ is way too public of a method to deal with someone like that. Having an inquisitor or Vader himself remind the person to not choke in their aspirations and doing it in private doesn't raise as much questions the Emperor doesn't want to answer.MKSheppard wrote: ↑2023-01-22 06:53pm Second post because when you use a spoiler, it screws up formatting.
This is something that I think the Disney/Marvel writers really didn't think through.
Knowing that Palpatine knows some of the force isn't that far of a stretch.
Maybe palpatine might be linked to the Sith? His right hand man's called DARTH after all....
But all the above is speculation -- certain things would be so radioactively "hot" that Palpatine would take extreme actions to bury them.
The entire legitimacy of the Empire is founded upon it's enabling acts and founding myth -- that the Jedi tried to coup the elected government of the Republic.
Simply namedropping "Darth Sidious" moves you to the to of the "kill at all costs" list -- Lord Vader will be shortly by to Base Delta Zero the planet you're on.
I think the reason they told Bail Organa was simple -- Bail is part of the Imperial Government and has to do social functions. Yoda and Obi-Wan saw how Palpatine corrupted Anakin slowly over the years; and they don't want that to happen to Leia.
Hardly shocking. The old EU was pretty sloppy over Darth Vader = Anakin Skywalker, with it either being a secret or common knowledge depending on the writer. Eventually they settled on secret except every author with a pet villain decided that their Cool Well-Informed Badass Badguy had deduced it because of course they did.MKSheppard wrote: ↑2023-01-22 06:53pm This is something that I think the Disney/Marvel writers really didn't think through.
Isn't that what people are paying for? Who's watching/reading Star Wars and not expecting to see weird, crazy and over the top shit?
With both there could also be a degree of intimidation/humiliation in "I don't even need to use my special powers to beat you".Solauren wrote: ↑2023-01-24 05:20pm I've always been of the belief when faced with a non-Force user, armed with a melee weapon, that Jedi and Sith duel them more-or-less-fairly (i.e no force powers) to test their martial skills.
So, Vader dueled Qir'na to test himself without the Force, knowing/beleving he could crush her at any time.
How times have changed. I remember when the prevailing belief around here was that precognition and telekinesis made Force-users pretty much invincible against any opponent short of Superman himself.
Force Precog isn't 100% effective -- there's the famous Palpatine Force Precog failing him in ANH (failing to see DS1 destruction) and ROTJ -- failing to see Vader's double-cross.
Bail also saved them when Order 66 went down; he'd proven trustworthy with the knowledge.MKSheppard wrote: ↑2023-01-23 08:22pmI think the reason they told Bail Organa was simple -- Bail is part of the Imperial Government and has to do social functions. Yoda and Obi-Wan saw how Palpatine corrupted Anakin slowly over the years; and they don't want that to happen to Leia.
So they had to tell Bail pretty much everything that they knew -- That Palpatine was a Sith, Palpatine was the Sith Lord behind the Naboo Crisis, the Sith Lord behind the CIS, etc -- because Bail was not only Leia's guardian, but since Leia was to be adopted into the Alderaanian Royal Family, she was gonna eventually run in the same circles that Palpatine does as Kindly Old Emperor Palpatine.
So Bail has to know so that he can subtly keep Leia from being influenced by Palpatine. Bail's also smart enough to realize that....there's nothing he can do with this information. He can't even tell anyone else (not even his wife); since he doesn't know who or what may be listening in.
About the only thing he can do with this information is that he KNOWS the kindly image of Palpatine is all a sham, a damn lie. Which helps him navigate the tumultuous currents of the immediate early Imperial era.
That's the biggest problem I have with a lot of comic writers -- they almost always come from Marvel or DC where shock value to sell comics is the biggest "should I?" writing test, and not whether it makes sense within the universe itself.
Lucius Fox in The Dark Knight pretty much pointed out everything wrong with the "hidden knowledge drop of doom" trope:
Now, let me get this straight. You think that your client, one of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the world is secretly a vigilante who spends his nights beating criminals to a pulp... and your plan is to *blackmail* this person?
IIRC, in old canon Tarkin and Thrawn figured it out; due to some associations with Anakin way back then.RogueIce wrote: ↑2023-01-24 03:15pmHardly shocking. The old EU was pretty sloppy over Darth Vader = Anakin Skywalker, with it either being a secret or common knowledge depending on the writer. Eventually they settled on secret except every author with a pet villain decided that their Cool Well-Informed Badass Badguy had deduced it because of course they did.
You know, when you look at Maul's Wookiepedia entry; you end up scratching your head a lot thanks to Dave Filoni; causing me to repost this meme:
But I'm getting ahead of myself here.JAMES CAMERON: Yeah. Ridley and I talked about doing another ALIEN film and I said to 20th Century Fox that I would develop a 5th ALIEN film. I started working on a story, I was working with another writer and Fox came back to me and said, "We've got this really good script for ALIEN VS PREDATOR and I got pretty upset. I said, "You do that you're going to kill the validity of the franchise in my mind." Because to me, that was FRANKENSTEIN MEETS WEREWOLF. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other.
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JAMES CAMERON: Well, it starts to become a video game. It's like, "Okay, that can be in him and that can show up over here..." It becomes more metaphorical or more comic book. I don't mean comic book in a negative way, I just mean that it's working at a kind of mythic, metaphoric level as opposed to really trying to immerse you in reality. I mean, I felt when I was making Aliens I think the same thing Ridley was doing with Alien, which is... “I'm going to make you think this is real.” Even though it is completely ridiculous deep space adventure. We were going to make you feel like it's real. It's a question of does the film take itself seriously or not.
Let's stop here for a moment and do a cost/benefit analysis for Sidious/Palpatine of letting Maul live.Maul held his own better than Opress, but was ultimately outclassed by the more experienced and skilled Dark Lord of the Sith and disarmed. Sidious telekinetically assaulted Maul multiple times, throwing him against walls and smashing him into the ground, severely weakening him. Maul pleaded for mercy, but Sidious riposted that in the Sith, there was no mercy and began to sadistically torture him with blasts of Force Lightning. The Sith Lord revealed he had no intention of killing his former apprentice and still had uses for Maul.