Rogue One (Spoilers)

[eMeM]

Just saw it. Really liked it overall. Definitely not perfect but I can see myself picking this up on Blu-ray when it becomes available (as opposed to TFA).

Did anyone else notice that they were calling for Admiral Syndulla over the PA on Yavin 4?

General Syndulla.
I mean, Rebel ranks are a mess, but I'd expect Hera to become admiral not general, certainly her responsibilities right now look like they fit a naval captain (which would be army colonel I think), not an army captain.
So maybe it was her father.

[Kojiro]

Eh, either or. I just noticed the name.

I will say this though- this film does make Stormtroopers utterly useless. Their armour doesn't seem to offer protection from blaster bolts or for that matter a wooden stick and it appears the Empire would be better served with an army of whatever droid K-S is.

[Thanas]

Just saw it. Really liked it overall. Definitely not perfect but I can see myself picking this up on Blu-ray when it becomes available (as opposed to TFA).

Did anyone else notice that they were calling for Admiral Syndulla over the PA on Yavin 4?

General Syndulla.
I mean, Rebel ranks are a mess, but I'd expect Hera to become admiral not general, certainly her responsibilities right now look like they fit a naval captain (which would be army colonel I think), not an army captain.
So maybe it was her father.

Starfighter commanders (or people commanding a starfighter wing) in SW have been called Generals in the past.

[eMeM]

Yeah, even in this movie the Blue Leader is a general, and it makes sense when you consider the starfighters to be the air force, which does have a rank of general.

But I don't think Hera is an air force/army captain "now", she's navy captain. Navy captain is a higher rank and would make more sense, given that Ezra has been promoted to Lt. Commander for one mission, which is a navy rank and would be higher than an army/air force captain but lower than a navy captain.

[NecronLord]

Starfighter commanders (or people commanding a starfighter wing) in SW have been called Generals in the past.

Most notably there was a rebel alliance general who commanded rebel fighters from his own custom light freighter before too...

[GuppyShark]

The movie was pretty clearly trying to sell Leia's corvette in Rogue One as the Tantive IV.

I could do with fewer nods to the past (if you hadn't seen the OT, how could you understand this movie?) but in retrospect this was clearly a nostalgia oriented film and the closest thing to Dark Forces the movie we'll ever get, so I'll have to forgive it.

[Lord Revan]

Also crew of the Ghost seem more like a spec ops team then a naval crew, besides I'd surpriced if the rebel ranking system wasn't a mess it's not like they're a professional military force built from the ground up, they're a collections various resistance movements each (probably) with their own ranking systems and traditions.

[GuppyShark]

Ion weapons: In the OT they were orange/red (ESB) but in the EU they got changed to blue. I was sad to see the ion torpedoes causing blue discharges. That and the early appearance of the MonCal armada are my only turbo nerd gripes.

[NecronLord]

Ion weapons: In the OT they were orange/red (ESB) but in the EU they got changed to blue. I was sad to see the ion torpedoes causing blue discharges. That and the early appearance of the MonCal armada are my only turbo nerd gripes.

Ion discharge was blue in the clone wars. That horse already bolted.

[NecronLord]

The movie was pretty clearly trying to sell Leia's corvette in Rogue One as the Tantive IV.

I could do with fewer nods to the past (if you hadn't seen the OT, how could you understand this movie?) but in retrospect this was clearly a nostalgia oriented film and the closest thing to Dark Forces the movie we'll ever get, so I'll have to forgive it.

There's an Empire. It is repressive. These people fight against it but have issues. Tarkin is an A-hole.

Krennic is an ambitious but dumber A-hole.

All you need to know to understand the film.

I also think it'd work well being watched after the prequels.

[NecronLord]

Also crew of the Ghost seem more like a spec ops team then a naval crew, besides I'd surpriced if the rebel ranking system wasn't a mess it's not like they're a professional military force built from the ground up, they're a collections various resistance movements each (probably) with their own ranking systems and traditions.

Yes, but Hera's killed more TIE fighters than most pilots have had hot dinners, so why not make her a general? She clearly wasn't commanding this battle though.

And yeah, I agree on the idea that rebel ranks would be haphazard.

[Lord Revan]

Also crew of the Ghost seem more like a spec ops team then a naval crew, besides I'd surpriced if the rebel ranking system wasn't a mess it's not like they're a professional military force built from the ground up, they're a collections various resistance movements each (probably) with their own ranking systems and traditions.

Yes, but Hera's killed more TIE fighters than most pilots have had hot dinners, so why not make her a general? She clearly wasn't commanding this battle though.

And yeah, I agree on the idea that rebel ranks would be haphazard.

I wasn't arguing she shouldn't have been made a "space force" general but rather I wanted to point out that even her current duties don't really the job description of an admiral(or other naval officer) so much as they fit a general of sometype (leading the Phoenix Force starfighters or planning/leading commando raids with the crew of the Ghost).

Besides isn't her father still around and he was most definetly a general.

[NecronLord]

He is, but I'd imagine he'd be on the ground if it was at all possible for him to get there and if he was anywhere. Cham is not one known for hanging back.

[ray245]

The Rebel Flagship, the Profundity is a MC-75 City ship converted into a warship. I really hate the converted warship idea, especially when they made the entire Mon Cal race conducting a mass exodus into space using their city ships.

[Adam Reynolds]

He is, but I'd imagine he'd be on the ground if it was at all possible for him to get there and if he was anywhere. Cham is not one known for hanging back.

Cham also fought for Ryloth rather than for the wider Rebel Alliance. I would assume it is Hera.

The Rebel Flagship, the Profundity is a MC-75 City ship converted into a warship. I really hate the converted warship idea, especially when they made the entire Mon Cal race conducting a mass exodus into space using their city ships.

What is wrong with the exodus concept? It nicely justifies why the Mon Cal are able to support the Rebel Alliance so heavily, as they thus have no need to protect a vulnerable homeworld.

As for converted warships, it is somewhat reasonable when they rely on shields over armor, as the Mon Cal and TF battleships seem to.

[Kojiro]

Oh and those AT-ACs are officially stupid too. Their armour is sufficiently light they can be taken out by fighters or even have a leg blown off by what appears to be a door gunner weapon. The equivalent of firing out the side of a chopper with a heavy machine gun. Yeah they're only cargo haulers but that just begs the question of 'what the fuck are they doing here?' We can see the whole damn place and there's nowhere elevated (except the tower, which has working elevators) for them to dock. Which makes them slow ass cargo haulers that are terribly difficult to load/unload. Perhaps somewhere they have a use, but it's not at this installation.

Also what does the crashing ship mean for a planetary shield? Drive a big enough ship into it and you just go through?

I really liked all the nods to the OT though. Yeah the Mos Eisley bar criminals were pure nostalgia, as were phrases like 'he served me well during the clone wars' but I don't care. I even like that we saw Red 5 die, so that someone else could inherit that designation. Oh and of all the people I know who have seen it that aren't SW fans (like most of us) no one picked Tarkin as CG but easily spotted Leia. I think knowing he's CG makes him more detectable in this case.

I'm torn on the whole Vader/Tantive IV escape. Vader was almost pure badassery but he let the plans slip through his fingers because he refused to move at more than a casual stroll. Also I now have to really wonder why Leia didn't do something more productive with the plans than fly to Tatooine. Given where she escaped from it seems like Kenobi can wait- she has to know she's being pursued.

Jyn's not perfect but she's a welcome relief compared to Rey. I really liked her.

[blahface]

Just got back from it. Overall I think it was a decent movie, but I was really disappointed that there was no opening crawl. Darth Vader seemed really, really off. I also don't buy that the Death Star plans would take up so much data. I'd wager that it would be smaller than an average youtube video.

[ray245]

What is wrong with the exodus concept? It nicely justifies why the Mon Cal are able to support the Rebel Alliance so heavily, as they thus have no need to protect a vulnerable homeworld.

As for converted warships, it is somewhat reasonable when they rely on shields over armor, as the Mon Cal and TF battleships seem to.

How are you going to generate the resources to keep so many civilians safe and well fed in space? Migrate to a different planet and they will easily be noticed.

[Vympel]

Oh and those AT-ACs are officially stupid too. Their armour is sufficiently light they can be taken out by fighters or even have a leg blown off by what appears to be a door gunner weapon. The equivalent of firing out the side of a chopper with a heavy machine gun. Yeah they're only cargo haulers but that just begs the question of 'what the fuck are they doing here?' We can see the whole damn place and there's nowhere elevated (except the tower, which has working elevators) for them to dock. Which makes them slow ass cargo haulers that are terribly difficult to load/unload. Perhaps somewhere they have a use, but it's not at this installation.

Yeah it seems to me they made sure they were AT-ACTs and not AT-ATs precisely because having AT-ATs wrecked as easily would've been inconsistent with TESB.

Cross-post:

This movie was so great.

My god the easter eggs! The callbacks!

- The Juggernaut being used as a prison transport!
- The callout to General Sendulla over the Yavin 4 PA!
- Red and Gold Leader!
- Vader's lava castle!!!!!!!!

The space battle was amazing. I actually totally missed Vader's ship splatting smaller rebel ships and focused on it shredding the rebel fleet. In a very short sequence it instantly rehabilitated the ISD's reputation, especially given the two ships guarding Scarif didn't seem to fight very hard - though I saw one of the foremost HTLs firing at one instance.

I found the movie very ballsy. It didn't pull many punches - of course all of the team would die, because we never see them again. Of course all of Blue Squadron dies, because we never seen them again. Of course Admiral Winston Churchill and his ship dies, because we never see them again

As the movie got perilously close to the end, I got very nervous that Vader's one cool moment was showing up in Devastator ... but then ... but then ...

What a fun script. K-2SO stole the show.

Now I can add canon and other nitpicks:

- Leia's ship being docked at the rebel flagship at Scarif was unnecessary, and makes Vader's conversation with Leia in ANH awkward - bitch, Vader saw your ship leave. He also expressly tells her that plans were beamed to her ship. But they weren't, they were put on a disc on the flagship.

- Unlike Tarkin's CGI, Leia's CGI was not well done. She looked like a pod person. My girlfriend on the other hand couldn't remember who Tarkin was and didn't know that Peter Cushing has been dead for over 20 years.

- Bodhi saying the Death Star was 'fueled' by kyber crystals - is not true. Rogue One: Catalyst confirms again (as Tarkin did before) time that she's powered by a hypermatter reactor. Of course, he is a layperson and it doesn't make much difference - Catalyst tells us the kyber crystal(s?) acts as a 'booster' - pumping them with energy gets a greater energy return. On the scale of the Death Star, we all know the results.

[Kojiro]

Yeah it seems to me they made sure they were AT-ACTs and not AT-ATs precisely because having AT-ATs wrecked as easily would've been inconsistent with TESB.

I'm dubbing them AT-NTs- All Terrain Nostalgia Transports. Their function is to elicit nostalgia first and foremost.

[Vympel]

Yeah it seems to me they made sure they were AT-ACTs and not AT-ATs precisely because having AT-ATs wrecked as easily would've been inconsistent with TESB.

I'm dubbing them AT-NTs- All Terrain Nostalgia Transports. Their function is to elicit nostalgia first and foremost.

I'm stealing that. Though I must admit one of them looming out of the mist was very Gareth Edwards.

[atg]

I also don't buy that the Death Star plans would take up so much data. I'd wager that it would be smaller than an average youtube video.

You've clearly never dealt with CAD files before. A small office building can be in 500MB-1GB range. Now scale that up to a 160km diameter building...

[Kojiro]

What was mildly perplexing there was that it looked like Jyn had a rather large hard drive type device to store the plans- which is fine, I get that it would be a big file- but then the rebels transferred it to what looked like the SW equivalent of a 3.5" floppy. Also jebus, what's wrong with storing things liken normal people? That storage system was absurd.

[blahface]

I also don't buy that the Death Star plans would take up so much data. I'd wager that it would be smaller than an average youtube video.

You've clearly never dealt with CAD files before. A small office building can be in 500MB-1GB range. Now scale that up to a 160km diameter building...

I didn't realize that. It is hard to believe that it would need that much space.

[GuppyShark]

Depending on how detailed it is, it could need to show everything from how the hull sections fit together, down to the individual circuitry paths on the primary CPU core.