I'm late to this but whatever.
Kane Starkiller wrote:Wait you actually think you made valid points above?
Trade Federation was "reluctant" to go with the plan. So that was not their plan, right? Sidious suddenly decided to invade (or planned it all along) and Trade Federation just accepts the newly hatched plan of planetary invasion and all it took was some vague promise from a shadowy guy. And that's not retarded?
So again: why the fuck did Trade Federation decide to invade the planet? It wasn't their original plan (which we don't even know) and we don't even know what was the rationalization for the new plan.
It was
not a newly hatched plan. Sidious clearly told them to "accelerate" their plans by launching the invasion. The invasion was a part of the plan all along. The Trade Federation was reluctant at the moment to go ahead, but Sidious pushed them along.
And you STILL haven't even begun to answer why Trade Federation would just agree to murder two Jedi Knights.
The point Stoklasa is making is that if Nute Gunray is so moronic to just agree to a planetary blockade, then agrees to a sudden order to murder Jedi Knights and then to a sudden order to invade an entire planet then he should have no problem to obey Sidious' order to openly invade the planet. It makes Trade Federation no more idiotic than the original plot and it works better for Sidious.
Please stop making up arguments for Stoklasa. I'm also not seeing the logic behind going along with a couple of murders (that can be covered up or brushed aside), and openly admitting major military aggression against an entire world before proceeding to do so.
What the hell can two guys do against a blockade? What they were going to take on the fleet with their lightsabers? Is this the level of argument we can expect from you in that 70 page rebuttal?
You need to come up with better stuff. The Jedi
deceptively boarded the Droid Control Ship under the guise of mere "ambassadors." The Chancellor and the Jedi were gambling that the Trade Federation would be too spineless and frightened to do anything once they were there. A gamble that almost paid off. They didn't predict that they would have to "take on the fleet," Qui-Gon outright calls the Trade Federation "cowards" and predicts that the "negotiations will be short."
Murderous obsessions are indeed supposed to make sense if you want your movie to not suck.
So movies suck if a supporting bit character's murderous obsessions don't make a whole lot of sense? A murderous obsession that's practically played for comic effect?
As it was attempts on Amidala's life actually start the entire investigation then the audience is expecting for some logical tie in with the mystery.
Do you
seriously see no other benefit in plotting Padme's murder other than to satisfy Gunray? Padme is a Senator leading the movement against the militarization act. She seeks to defuse all the hostilities and end the Separatist movement through peaceful means. Palpatine wants an army and a war. Did you really ignore all these important things while going after Nute freaking Gunray?
"Pledging" support is not the same as signing a treaty. Nute Gunray clearly states he is not signing any treaty unless he has her head.
Jesus Christ. I already went over this in my previous post. If you aren't stupidly taking every single word literally, you would see that Gunray was just being a nagging bitch. If he was serious about not signing the treaty, then you'd think that maybe he would speak up during the big meeting? Instead of just letting Dooku talk for him, and make promises for the Trade Federation?
Again: repeated murder attempts are what startes the entire investigation. It's fucking stupid to try and murder a public figure when you are trying to secretly build an alliance and when the public figure in question is unwittingly playing into your hands by opposing the creation of Republic army.
It's stupid that you can't seem to understand things. Dooku is a
traitor playing both sides, OK? He's working for Palpatine, and his only actual objective is to cause a war.
And Padme's motivation doesn't end at stopping her
own government from militarizing and protecting itself. She's a loyal Republic Senator. Her objective is to peacefully
destroy the Separatist movement with dialogue. Her death could be used to increase hostilities on both sides, since the Republic (under Palpatine's control) blames the Separatists for her murder.
"Be thankful, Viceroy, you have not found yourself in my grip . . ."
This is not how a general speaks with his civilian leader.
With Dooku dead, the Separatist fleet routed at Coruscant, the Outer Rim under siege, and the Separatist leaders on the run for their very lives, I seriously doubt Grievous gave a shit about paying proper respect by then.
I would not even bitch about his power if I actually knew how he got it. He just fell from the sky in episode 3 and now he is somehow in charge
I demand an explanation for how Admiral Ozzel got to where he was.
LOL you actually thought I was being literal when I said "button". Yes I know he had Anakin send a "message" but that's the point: how the fuck can he send a message and have the entire Separatist army shut down? What did he make a prank call or something? Why the fuck did Separatist government just accept a call from some unknown doofus?
He's an "unknown" now? Funny, because I remember him being previously announced to the Separatist leadership. He's in a Separatist command center, and Sidious would have no doubt given him whatever access and passwords or codes he would've needed.
Yes Gunray said the war was over which is yet more movie stupidity. The opening crawl said the Republic was crumbling but then Dooku was killed and then later Griveous and now the war is over? How? Where? It would be kinda nice if we saw the ultimate battle that ended the war. Was it the one over Coruscant?
The top civilian and military leaders are dead. The fleet and the army were defeated in major battles. The war might not have even been going well for the Separatists up to that point. A very general statement about the Republic "crumbling" in the opening crawl as its
capital is besieged does not mean that everything is going well for the Confederacy everywhere else.
Sidious promises his new apprentice Darth Vader will take care of them. And idiot Gunray believes him? After all the failures?
You mean Gunray's own failures? Any of a thousand or a million other people's failures? Nevermind that military defeats have no bearing anyway as to whether a Sith Apprentice will help them. Gunray has experience showing him that the Sith will in fact protect him. Dooku had been at his side for years, and Darth Maul died fighting for him on Naboo. Him and Sidious go way back, and it's even implied in AOTC that Sidious/Palpatine had helped Gunray beat the court charges against him.
He doesn't flee for his capital and have what's left of his fleet guard the planet?
Read what you're saying here: Flee to the most obvious place, and have "what's left of his fleet" protect him. Stay in one place and hope that your already battered forces can somehow beat back the Republic.
I love it when people criticize the movies for being stupid - then suggest alternatives that are quite dumb as well.
EDIT: typo