StarshipTitanic wrote:
Please show me where I said that seeing the Separatist leadership implied they had no generals. I know you have to creatively interpret and make stuff up for the prequels to make sense, but don't you do it with what I've said. The last I saw before Revenge of the Sith, the fleshy people were in charge of the robots. Then right at the beginning of ROTS, there's a robot-style person in charge of the whole Separatist movement? Whatever.
Easy:- "I gave a small shit because the previous movie established that the Separatists were some kind of organization of cartel-sounding people with Dooku as head."
How am I supposed to interpret this, as opposed to "what I saw of their leadership before the war even started should set in stone their leadership in all matters in RotS"?
It's a bloody stupid, petty, and baseless complaint, sorry. And you go on to repeat it below!
Grievous has about the same military ability as Gunray. In TPM, Gunray loses a key hostage to a pair of Jedi. In ROTS, Grievous loses a key hostage to a pair of Jedi. In TPM, Gunray loses a critical battle in his scheme to win control over Naboo. In ROTS, Grievous loses a critical battle in his scheme to win control over Coruscant/the Republic/the galaxy.
LOL
of course! So that must mean that Gunray
should be a military leader, right? I mean, his title is Viceroy, we've never seen him actually command anything (your inability to tell the difference between him merely presiding over an invasion and actually commanding it aside), and General Grievous' actual title is General, but why pay attention to obvious things like rank and what they do in the movie (Grievous = commands Separatist fleet, has a lightsabre collection, can face Jedi in single combat / Gunray = does nothing, can't fight for shit) when there's whiny, petty complaining about minor characters to be done, yeah?
No reason to think Grievous holds political authority? He orders the Separatists to go to the dumbest hiding place in the galaxy and then talks to Sidious. He threatens Gunray with violence. The Jedi talk about having to kill Grievous to end the war, not "capture the Separatist leadership" or whatever. He's amply obviously clearly in charge for anyone paying attention to what the movie actually gives us.
According to you then a Secret Service agent carting off the President of the USA to a secure location must have political authority, right? The Jedi talk of having to kill Grievous to end the war because he's the commander of the Separatist military, not because he leads the Separatist movement.
A New Hope is the fresh start of a new story (or new part of the story). In Attack of the Clones, we know it goes Dooku-Separatist leadership. Then in ROTS we're told it goes Dooku-Grievous-Separatist leadership. Why? Oh because it was "clearly telegraphed" and "obviously" and throw in "amply" there, too, even though you can't point to any reasons why Grievous is less of a dipshit than Gunray. When did the emperor put Grievous in charge? Or was it Dooku? Why? Show me where.
Your totally made-up-in-your-head impression of the Separatist leadership from AotC, before the war even began, has absolutely no bearing on the situation in RotS, no matter how much you insist it does. Again -
why do we need to know when/where the Emperor put Grievous in charge?
Oh well if we can draw irrelevant World War II analogies then I'm going to make one to disprove yours:
In 1940, the Nazis made an aerial attack against the capital of their mortal enemy and it still took another 4-5 years for the Allies to win the war. So I guess you're wrong now, right? Amply obviously clearly?
That's an idiotic analogy. Anyone who paid attention in the movie can see for themselves that the Separatists obviously aren't winning. They lost that battle, their Sith Lord is dead, their General is in hiding, and you think their cause is in the asendnance? Huh? Simply because there was still fighting?
You're right, the movie is idiotic because it depends on the Separatist military being either incompetent or impotent but we can't say for sure which it is. I amply assume you obviously telegraphed this implication clearly?
Uhuh, so now the movie's stupid because the Separatist military can't protect its leaders, right (and you of course, gloss right over my main point, i.e. Jedi/ assassins finding them, as opposed to a military assault)? Because of course, if you have a military in a movie, then that must mean said military must be at an arbitrary level of strength compared to its opponent, no matter what, or else the movie is stupid.
Christ, did you even watch the movie? Leia says the escape was too easy and Han dismisses her and her suspicion that they're being tracked. They were tracked because Han was cocky and he didn't give a shit about the Rebellion.
That means both Leia and Han are fucking morons of the highest order. Rose-tinted glasses, anyone?
And then, importantly, we have Tarkin and Vader talk about the tracking beacon. That way when the Death Star showed up at Yavin, we don't have to wonder "So was there a tracking beacon? I guess there was." for no reason. You see, we believe that Tarkin and the Empire are more credible villains when they actually trick the protagonists into doing what they want.
No they didn't, their plan succeeded because
Han was an arrogant dimwit and
Leia was a submissive imbecile.
It's pretty sad that the prequels have taught people that the most logical thing to do in a crisis is to fuck off on an adventure irrelevant to the conclusion of the plot. And that watching Han and Chewbacca rummage around for a beacon would have made for a more interesting, sensible movie. Maybe a pit droid could have taunted Chewie until he punched its nose in! That would have been awesome!!!
So let me get this straight - knowing the particulars of how and when General Grievous got his job is
serious business that requires valuable screentime, but egregious errors like leading the Death Star right to your planet so the Rebellion can be destroyed if your attack fails (which has to happen ASAP! because ... ummm ... because!) can just be handwaved away because otherwise you'd be "fucking off to an adventure irrelevant to the conclusion of the plot".
Again - do you even listen to yourself?