Where did the humans in Star Wars come from?

The Jazz Intern · Post by **The Jazz Intern** » 2005-05-30 07:02pm

What planet in star wars did the Human race come from? (This is not like when you ask a trekkie why do the klingons look like humans with a ridge on their forheads.)

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2005-05-30 07:06pm

I think that the consensus is that SW humans originated on Coruscant. I dont know where it says this but I think I am right.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-05-30 08:02pm

Mr. B wrote:I think that the consensus is that SW humans originated on Coruscant. I dont know where it says this but I think I am right.

Boy you really have a lot to learn, if you are going to make a claim PLEASE provide the evidence before saying something like "I think I am right." Humans colonized a large part of the galaxy a long time ago, in the MedStar books one of the doctors speaks of "generation ships" used in the years before Hyperspace Travel. So Humans a long time ago colonized many systems, including worlds like Corellia and Alderaan. But a definitive homeworld had never been mentioned to my knowledge. But if anyone has a SOURCE i'd like to see it.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-05-30 08:03pm

It's virtually impossible for humans to have not originated on Earth. There is very little chance that a species could have evolved under different conditions to be just like humans. Most likely, they were transplanted from earth by some means.

FedRebel · Post by **FedRebel** » 2005-05-30 08:07pm

The Jazz Intern wrote:What planet in star wars did the Human race come from?

Everywhere and nowhere

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2005-05-30 08:07pm

Hardy wrote:It's virtually impossible for humans to have not originated on Earth. There is very little chance that a species could have evolved under different conditions to be just like humans. Most likely, they were transplanted from earth by some means.

And since Earth does not exist with in the Star Wars Galaxy? And the Galaxy is "far, far away" with the time line set "a long time ago"?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-05-30 08:10pm

To add to Spartan's answer:

The key words you said is virtually impossible, and the fact that these humans can manipulate the force might suggest genetic differences despite appearance. But however a more plausible thing to note is that, in sci fi, we use suspension of disbelief. If its portrayed on screen that the characters are human, then they are human.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2005-05-30 08:22pm

Look, I believe the easiest way to resolve this is simply to figure that, by unknown mechanism or agency, humans of somekind emerged in the SW galaxy. It's still possible for them to have come from Earth if, for example, they were a group taken from the planet tens of thousands of years ago, or if the "long time ago observer" is actually looking back from the future. Without suspending disbelief, you can only speculate.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-30 08:26pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:To add to Spartan's answer:

The key words you said is virtually impossible, and the fact that these humans can manipulate the force might suggest genetic differences despite appearance. But however a more plausible thing to note is that, in sci fi, we use suspension of disbelief. If its portrayed on screen that the characters are human, then they are human.

And Hardy said they were not humans? He did not. But on the probability scale its more likely they were transplanted from Earth than evolving independently elsewhere.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-05-30 08:31pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:To add to Spartan's answer:

The key words you said is virtually impossible, and the fact that these humans can manipulate the Force might suggest genetic differences despite appearance.

You'd have to prove that Force-sensitivity is genetic for that to work. The ability to manipulate the Force might simply be (within the context of that universe) a power undiscovered by the people who are observing the "galaxy far far away" (us).

But however a more plausible thing to note is that, in sci fi, we use suspension of disbelief. If its portrayed on screen that the characters are human, then they are human.

Which is precisely my reasoning.

As for Spartan's post, I fail to see how those are problems.

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2005-05-30 08:37pm

Because you have to get from Earth to that other galaxy. How do you get from our galaxy to their's and then multiply enough to be *the* primary species?

Humans couldn't have evolved away from Earth? This isn't the only example of creatures that should not exist in their galaxy, like the Space Slug.

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2005-05-30 08:40pm

It's non-canon, but I've always liked a scene from a issue of the Marvel Star Wars comics that touched on this question. Han Solo visits ruins on a planet called Seoul 5 and finds a statue of a mother goddess figure with an inscription declaring Seoul 5 to be the birthplace of humanity. Solo comments, "With all due respect lady, there are a half-dozen other planets that make the same claim." (Or words very close to that.) In the absence of more concrete evidence, that's the most anyone can say.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2005-05-30 08:42pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Boy you really have a lot to learn, if you are going to make a claim PLEASE provide the evidence before saying something like "I think I am right." Humans colonized a large part of the galaxy a long time ago, in the MedStar books one of the doctors speaks of "generation ships" used in the years before Hyperspace Travel. So Humans a long time ago colonized many systems, including worlds like Corellia and Alderaan. But a definitive homeworld had never been mentioned to my knowledge. But if anyone has a SOURCE i'd like to see it.

Whoa, settle amigo. It was just a comment on something I heard on these forums, it was not meant to be a scholarly answer.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-05-30 08:51pm

The Spartan wrote:Because you have to get from Earth to that other galaxy.

The hypothesised abductor's FTL propulsion systems do the trick.

How do you get from our galaxy to their's and then multiply enough to be *the* primary species?

The simplest answer would be heavy promiscuity.

Humans couldn't have evolved away from Earth? This isn't the only example of creatures that should not exist in their galaxy, like the Space Slug.

Huh? Is there evidence of a Space Slug existing anywhere else?

If you want a real example, look at ducks, which can be found on Naboo. It's no stretch to suppose that they were also transplanted

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2005-05-30 08:59pm

No the simplest answer is that they somehow evolved in the Star Wars galaxy as it doesn't require a third party to somehow transplant 1000's of humans across millions of light years for no apparent reason.

My point about the Space Slug is that it should not have evolved *at all* and, with that in mind, the idea that humans could evolve in the Star Wars galaxy, where they should not exist at all, makes the most sense.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2005-05-30 09:08pm

No the simplest answer is that they somehow evolved in the Star Wars galaxy as it doesn't require a third party to somehow transplant 1000's of humans across millions of light years for no apparent reason.

It's probably more likely (that they were transported) than humans that basically indistinguishable from Earth humans somehow evolving on a SW planet

. The conditions that led to humanity were pretty chancey, and unlikely to happen on a planet with even minor differences from Earth.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-30 09:21pm

The Spartan wrote:Because you have to get from Earth to that other galaxy. How do you get from our galaxy to their's and then multiply enough to be *the* primary species?

Simple; the transplanting species obviously placed them in sufficient numbers to begin with and ahead of other developing species in the galaxy, and most importantly, probably gave them technology and assistance.

The Spartan wrote:Humans couldn't have evolved away from Earth? This isn't the only example of creatures that should not exist in their galaxy, like the Space Slug.

"Entity A is irrational, so Entity B's origin should be presumed to be irrational."

I don't understand why this shit is considered a valid debating tactic. We minimize dumb shit. Two wrongs do not make a right, and illogic does not justify more illogic.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-05-30 09:25pm

The Spartan wrote:No the simplest answer is that they somehow evolved in the Star Wars galaxy as it doesn't require a third party to somehow transplant 1000's of humans across millions of light years for no apparent reason.

Weighing with parsimony is giving me a headache. It's a species identical, but totally unrelated to Homo Sapiens Sapiens defying ridiculous odds to exist vs. actual humans being transplanted by unknown means.

My point about the Space Slug is that it should not have evolved *at all* and, with that in mind, the idea that humans could evolve in the Star Wars galaxy, where they should not exist at all, makes the most sense.

Since a creature evolved in space, it follows that a species identical to humans could evolve despite the ridiculous odds against that? Is that what you're trying to say?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-05-30 09:36pm

Mr. B wrote:I think that the consensus is that SW humans originated on Coruscant. I dont know where it says this but I think I am right.

It's implied in Conquest (Mike's fanfic), but absolutely nowhere even close to canon.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-30 09:37pm

Parsimony favors transplantation; the sheer number of hugely unlikely requisites for identical human evolution is many many more extra terms than "alien abduction, resettlement, and aid."

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2005-05-30 09:41pm

Hardy wrote:
The Spartan wrote:No the simplest answer is that they somehow evolved in the Star Wars galaxy as it doesn't require a third party to somehow transplant 1000's of humans across millions of light years for no apparent reason.
Weighing with parsimony is giving me a headache. It's a species identical, but totally unrelated to Homo Sapiens Sapiens defying ridiculous odds to exist vs. actual humans being transplanted by unknown means.
My point about the Space Slug is that it should not have evolved *at all* and, with that in mind, the idea that humans could evolve in the Star Wars galaxy, where they should not exist at all, makes the most sense.
Since a creature evolved in space, it follows that a species identical to humans could evolve despite the ridiculous odds against that? Is that what you're trying to say?

My point, is that if impossible species A (the space slug) exists, under SOD why is it so hard to believe that it's possible for impossible species B (the non-Earth humans to exist)?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-05-30 09:50pm

Who gives a shit about the space slug when it has nothing to do with humans?

Frankly I'm so sick of this human issue, having to repeat what seems like every couple of months, that I'm not even going to bother this time...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-05-30 10:02pm

The Spartan wrote:My point, is that if impossible species A (the space slug) exists, under SOD why is it so hard to believe that it's possible for impossible species B (the non-Earth humans to exist)?

Did you read any of what I wrote, you fucking idiot? You minimize irrational, impossible shit, you fucking dolt. That's obvious.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2005-05-30 10:10pm

Can we just sticky a thread with the human topic? Since these question threads seem to come up every few weeks.

hypnosifl · Post by **hypnosifl** » 2005-05-30 10:20pm

There are all kinds of creatures in the Star Wars universe that look almost exactly like humans but with one key visible difference, like a pair of horns or antenna or head-tails (as well as different skin color, usually)...from a real-life evolutionary point of view, aliens who look that close to humans are only slightly less improbable than aliens who look exactly like humans. So, I think it's reasonable to conclude that the laws of biology just don't work the same way in the Star Wars universe, maybe the Force influences evolution so that many different planets end up converging on nearly-identical humanoid forms.

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