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Disney pulls Royal Clause to sidestep DeSantos
A board picked by Florida's governor to oversee Disney's Orlando theme parks says it has been neutered by a last-minute contract with a royal clause.

Disney ran the district for over half a century until Florida legislators punished the conglomerate for slamming state laws regulating sex education.
But the new board says its authority has been bypassed by restrictive covenants that cite King Charles III.
The Republican-aligned board is hiring lawyers to settle the matter.

"We're going to have to deal with it and correct it," board member Brian Aungst said on Wednesday at a public meeting.
He called Disney's actions "a naked attempt to circumvent the will of the voters and the will of the Florida Legislature".

In a brief statement, Disney said "all agreements signed between Disney and the District were appropriate, and were discussed and approved in open, noticed public forums".

The previous Disney-controlled board was known as the Reedy Creek Improvement District, and it ran the sprawling theme park resort in central Florida.
It approved the now-disputed agreement on 8 February, the day before the state's Republican-led legislature voted to empower the governor to pick his own board to oversee the 27,000 acres.

The newly created Central Florida Tourism Oversight District says the binding agreement passed last month by the previous board hands Disney total power over development of the area.
The declaration is valid until "21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England", according to the document.
Such so-called royal lives clauses have been inserted into legal documentation since the late 17th Century, and they are still found in some contracts in the UK, though rarely in the US.

The 151-page Florida agreement also states that no "fanciful characters" owned by Disney, including Mickey Mouse, can be used by the board. The use of the name Disney is also banned.

The new board's chairman, Martin Garcia, told an NBC affiliate that they may have to challenge the agreement in "protracted litigation".

Disney made a political enemy of the governor after criticising the state's Parental Rights in Education Act, signed by Mr DeSantis last April.
The measure bans instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity for pupils aged nine and under.
Supporters of the bill said it protects children from inappropriate content. Opponents dub the legislation "Don't Say Gay" and say it stigmatises LGBT youth.

The culture war between Mr DeSantis and Disney has helped elevate the governor's profile as a potential 2024 Republican presidential candidate.
So... ONE DAY before DeSantos pulled his attempt to take over Disney's control of Reedy Creek, the Board in charge passed a resolution that's good until the last English Royal Descendant of King Charles III is 21years dead. And since there's 5 Royal Kids now, each of which capable of continuing Charles's lineage, that might be a while.

IMHO DeSantos is losing the war with the House of Mouse, and I'm betting there's far more people on Disney's side than DeSanto's "will of legislature". I also bet that Disney has far better lawyers and can tie this up in Court for the next decade -- far longer than DeSantos' chances at President.
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If I read this right even if King Charles III and all his children and grandchildren were to die today the declaration would be valid for another 21 years, am I correct here?

Oh and the chances of that happening are rather slim to begin with.
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Confirmed, the Florida legislature are a bunch of amateurs. :lol: I see Disney's been taking notes from the Wisconsin legislature (stripping power from the office of governor right before the inauguration of a Democrat).
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Lord Revan wrote: 2023-03-30 03:18pm If I read this right even if King Charles III and all his children and grandchildren were to die today the declaration would be valid for another 21 years, am I correct here?

Oh and the chances of that happening are rather slim to begin with.
Longer then that, actually. It goes until he has no further biological descendants of any kind. Meaning if his grandkids have kids, it continues until they are gone, etc.

Question is - They're using a foreign monarch, of a monarchy and family the US broke away from before Florida was part of the United States. Would it even hold up in court?
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Disney appears to think so and where legalese is concerned they usually know VERY well what they're doing.
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I feel that it says a lot about the current state of the Republican party, and absolutely none of it good, that the Disney Corporation having its own sovereign territory where its authority overrides that of the (theoretically) democratically elected local government is even being seen to be a net positive...
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It's even more damning that it actually IS (as even people who hate Disney for all the right reasons admit)...
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Solauren wrote: 2023-03-30 04:34pmLonger then that, actually. It goes until he has no further biological descendants of any kind. Meaning if his grandkids have kids, it continues until they are gone, etc.

Question is - They're using a foreign monarch, of a monarchy and family the US broke away from before Florida was part of the United States. Would it even hold up in court?
It's actually a thing in law.
Wikipedia wrote:Royal lives were chosen because (a) it was assumed that being affluent, at least one or two members of the family could be assumed to live a reasonably long period of time, and (b) being royalty, it would be reasonably easy to calculate the lives of the descendants.
Note, however, that according to that article it doesn't last always and forever until the entire line is snuffed out, because it only applies to descendants who are alive at the time that the contract is drafted (even if they are currently a baby), not grandkids, great-grandkids, etc that they may have someday.

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Raw Shark wrote: 2023-03-30 09:04pm It's actually a thing in law.
Wikipedia wrote:Royal lives were chosen because (a) it was assumed that being affluent, at least one or two members of the family could be assumed to live a reasonably long period of time, and (b) being royalty, it would be reasonably easy to calculate the lives of the descendants.
Note, however, that according to that article it doesn't last always and forever until the entire line is snuffed out, because it only applies to descendants who are alive at the time that the contract is drafted (even if they are currently a baby), not grandkids, great-grandkids, etc that they may have someday.
Thanks for the clarification!

So, this means that Disney has control until 21 years after Lilibet dies (assuming as the youngest, born 2021, she lives the longest). Since her family seems to have long-lived women in it, Lilibet may live to be 95 or older, which means Disney possibly has control until 2140 CE.
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LadyTevar wrote: 2023-03-30 09:19pmThanks for the clarification!
No worries. I was curious about it, myself.
LadyTevar wrote: 2023-03-30 09:19pmSo, this means that Disney has control until 21 years after Lilibet dies (assuming as the youngest, born 2021, she lives the longest). Since her family seems to have long-lived women in it, Lilibet may live to be 95 or older, which means Disney possibly has control until 2140 CE.
Philip also had a pretty good run, and I doubt the best medical care that money can buy will remain stagnant for the next century.

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So given that this is DeSantis we're talking about what exactly can the courts do if the state government decides to ignore them? What can Disney do if a MAGA judge decides to shrug and throw out the contract?
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Raw Shark wrote: 2023-03-30 09:25pm Philip also had a pretty good run, and I doubt the best medical care that money can buy will remain stagnant for the next century.
I'd expect the curent batch of royal grandkids to live to be comfortably over 120 years old at the current rate of tech development. Baring something serious of course.
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Solauren wrote: 2023-03-30 09:53pmI'd expect the curent batch of royal grandkids to live to be comfortably over 120 years old at the current rate of tech development.
Why? Average life expectancy has been going up, but no human in history has lived to be "comfortably" over 120 - that seems to be something of a hard limit, and all the improvements are doing is allowing a greater proportion of the population to live to an age closer to the limit than historically.
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Captain Seafort wrote: 2023-03-31 03:21pm
Solauren wrote: 2023-03-30 09:53pmI'd expect the curent batch of royal grandkids to live to be comfortably over 120 years old at the current rate of tech development.
Why? Average life expectancy has been going up, but no human in history has lived to be "comfortably" over 120 - that seems to be something of a hard limit, and all the improvements are doing is allowing a greater proportion of the population to live to an age closer to the limit than historically.
21 years PAST her death.
Assuming she lives 99yrs, the expiration would be 120 years.
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Captain Seafort wrote: 2023-03-31 03:21pm
Solauren wrote: 2023-03-30 09:53pmI'd expect the curent batch of royal grandkids to live to be comfortably over 120 years old at the current rate of tech development.
Why? Average life expectancy has been going up, but no human in history has lived to be "comfortably" over 120 - that seems to be something of a hard limit, and all the improvements are doing is allowing a greater proportion of the population to live to an age closer to the limit than historically.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... est_people
Oldest verified human was 122 years, 164 days.

Now toss in stuff in development like cloned organs, tissue regeneration and the like.
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Solauren wrote: 2023-03-31 05:59pmOldest verified human was 122 years, 164 days.
Precisely my point. One human, out of the countless billions who have lived, recorded as scraping past 120, and she died over a quarter of a century ago. Yes, the average is going up, yes more are getting closer to that limit, but she's the only one who's ever passed it.
Now toss in stuff in development like cloned organs, tissue regeneration and the like.
And? Medical science has been improving continuously for centuries, and yet with the notable exception of Calment all those who have been recorded as the oldest living person have died at some point between 110 and 120. More are getting there, but they're not getting further.
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Captain Seafort wrote: 2023-03-31 06:24pm
Solauren wrote: 2023-03-31 05:59pmOldest verified human was 122 years, 164 days.
Precisely my point. One human, out of the countless billions who have lived, recorded as scraping past 120, and she died over a quarter of a century ago. Yes, the average is going up, yes more are getting closer to that limit, but she's the only one who's ever passed it.
Now toss in stuff in development like cloned organs, tissue regeneration and the like.
And? Medical science has been improving continuously for centuries, and yet with the notable exception of Calment all those who have been recorded as the oldest living person have died at some point between 110 and 120. More are getting there, but they're not getting further.
There are possibilities that anti-aging drugs and gene-editing could get there in time to be worthwhile for an ultrawealthy person who enjoys the idea of life extension. We do get small promising bits here and there every year and eventually some of it will reach the human testing stage.
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Solauren wrote: 2023-03-30 09:53pm
Raw Shark wrote: 2023-03-30 09:25pm Philip also had a pretty good run, and I doubt the best medical care that money can buy will remain stagnant for the next century.
I'd expect the curent batch of royal grandkids to live to be comfortably over 120 years old at the current rate of tech development. Baring something serious of course.
Which becomes increasingly likely the closer to the edge Putin gets :lol:
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Is this really going to hurt deSantis?

He achieved what he set out to do, virtual signal to his Conservative supporters.
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bobalot wrote: 2023-04-04 06:55am Is this really going to hurt deSantis?

He achieved what he set out to do, virtual signal to his Conservative supporters.
Well, he is being blocked by a place that the rest of the US and the World sees as "The Magic Kingdom", a place that's built up the idea of being "Family Friendly" and "THE GOOD GUYS" (even if they're really not) amongst the average American.
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He will likely swing for some indication of this being DEEP STATE SHENANIGANS or some such, but this whole thing is a farce and abuse of power anyway.
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bobalot wrote: 2023-04-04 06:55am Is this really going to hurt deSantis?

He achieved what he set out to do, virtual signal to his Conservative supporters.
That depends on how many companies who would have funded his campaign decide that he's a risk to their profits. That they need to be worried that he might try to target them if they say anything he disagrees with.
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LadyTevar wrote: 2023-04-04 08:16am
bobalot wrote: 2023-04-04 06:55am Is this really going to hurt deSantis?

He achieved what he set out to do, virtual signal to his Conservative supporters.
Well, he is being blocked by a place that the rest of the US and the World sees as "The Magic Kingdom", a place that's built up the idea of being "Family Friendly" and "THE GOOD GUYS" (even if they're really not) amongst the average American.
And who the people who DeSantis wants to court as voters have spent many years protesting and boycotting for their failure to ban gays and the like.
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Ralin wrote: 2023-04-05 03:50am
LadyTevar wrote: 2023-04-04 08:16am
bobalot wrote: 2023-04-04 06:55am Is this really going to hurt deSantis?

He achieved what he set out to do, virtual signal to his Conservative supporters.
Well, he is being blocked by a place that the rest of the US and the World sees as "The Magic Kingdom", a place that's built up the idea of being "Family Friendly" and "THE GOOD GUYS" (even if they're really not) amongst the average American.
And who the people who DeSantis wants to court as voters have spent many years protesting and boycotting for their failure to ban gays and the like.
A point. Disney isn't going to block what's one of their biggest fan bases.
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