A group of House Republican freshmen, tired of getting hammered on Medicare, is leading a fresh protest against Democrats' tactics on the senior citizen health care program.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger sent a letter to the White House Tuesday signed by 41 of his classmates “calling on President Obama to end the 'MediSCARE' tactics,” according to a release today.
“As new members of Congress, we are committed to having a fact-based conversation immediately. Our mission must be about the next generation, not the election—this is something we cannot lose sight of,” the letter reads. “Will you join us to stop the political rhetoric, work to advance America’s interests, and end this cycle of debts, deficits and indecision?”
The latest freshman demonstration comes just weeks after some of the new members faced tough questions from constituents in town halls after their vote to alter Medicare by turning it into a program that provides federal subsidies for the purchase of private plans. Some of the freshmen who made headlines for their raucous town halls, including Pennsylvania Reps. Pat Meehan and Lou Barletta, and Florida’s Allen West, signed onto the letter.
This is the second such event for the freshmen class. During the last continuing resolution debate earlier this year, Arkansas Rep. Rick Crawford led his colleagues in a daily protest of Senate Democrats on the Capitol steps. Those protests grew daily—and were frequently joined by upperclassmen, including Reps. Mike Pence, Paul Broun and GOP senators.
The same shameless clowns who brought up "Death Panels" now want people to stop pointing out that they actually voted to end Medicare (in its current form). Seriously, that's hilarious.
These are the same people who have been egging on the birthers, calling Obama a fascist/socialist, and implying he is Kenyan (Newt Gingrich).
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"As new members of Congress, we are committed to having a fact-based conversation immediately. Our mission must be about the next generation, not the election—this is something we cannot lose sight of.[...] Will you join us to stop the political rhetoric, work to advance America’s interests, and end this cycle of debts, deficits and indecision?”
This line in particular. "Fact based rhetoric", eh? "Concentrating on the next generation instead of the next election cycle", stopping "political rhetoric" and the "cycle of debts, deficits and indecision". If there's ever a "GOP Lies Bingo", these two sentences alone might fill half the field. Do they even blush anymore when uttering such total BS in front of witnesses?
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In a way you almost have to "respect" this level of slimy two faced Hypocrisy. I mean, under similar circumstances the Democrats in the past have just rolled over and played dead when such attacks are heaped upon them or ignored them until it is too late and the rest of America has taken said attacks as fact (see Swiftboating).
That said the cognitive dissidence here is understandable.
After all, in the mind of the GOP there is no such thing as an "honest" attack against them. What they stand for MUST be the right way and there can not be even a single part that could ever be wrong or untrue.
Therefor ANY attack against them, no matter who it is from or what it says, but ANY attack must be part of an evil Liberal Plot and the attack itself 100% false and untrue.
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Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul said during a Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee hearing Wednesday that those who believe in a right to healthcare actually believe in slavery.
"With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have realize what that implies," the senator said. "It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me."
"It means you believe in slavery," Paul added. "It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses."
His father, Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul, announced his third presidential bid in April. Both congressmen have strong libertarian views and are popular among the tea party movement.
"Basically, once you imply a belief in a right to someone’s services — do you have a right to plumbing? Do you have a right to water? Do you have right to food? — you’re basically saying you believe in slavery."
"I’m a physician in your community and you say you have a right to health care," Paul continued. "You have a right to beat down my door with the police, escort me away and force me to take care of you? That’s ultimately what the right to free health care would be."
Self-described democratic socialist Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), chairman of the Subcommittee on Retirement and Aging, responded to Paul's rant by asking witness Dana Kraus, a family physician at a federally qualified health center, if she considered herself "a slave."
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"I love my job," she answered. "I chose to work there. I do not consider myself a slave. Thank you."
Sanders and Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA) introduced federal single payer legislation Tuesday that would ensure that states implement Medicare-like systems for all residents.
Crossroads Inc. wrote:In a way you almost have to "respect" this level of slimy two faced Hypocrisy. I mean, under similar circumstances the Democrats in the past have just rolled over and played dead when such attacks are heaped upon them or ignored them until it is too late and the rest of America has taken said attacks as fact (see Swiftboating).
Yes. The Democrats need to stop doing that and start acting like Republicans.
That said the cognitive dissidence here is understandable.
After all, in the mind of the GOP there is no such thing as an "honest" attack against them. What they stand for MUST be the right way and there can not be even a single part that could ever be wrong or untrue.
Therefor ANY attack against them, no matter who it is from or what it says, but ANY attack must be part of an evil Liberal Plot and the attack itself 100% false and untrue.
Admittedly, many people behave this way, sadly. It just seems Republicans only draw from that pool of humanity when picking candidates.
It's called the Hippocratic Oath, you miserable Hypocritical Prehensile Cock Appendage.
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This is in response to the quoted article, with Rand Paul's statements.
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Anyone else notice the repeated use of the term "freshman/freshmen" and the mention of "upperclassmen?" They make it sound like US politics is fucking High School and this pretty much comes off as precisely that. Which I suppose says alot about the American mindset at the moment.
Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul said during a Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee hearing Wednesday that those who believe in a right to healthcare actually believe in slavery.
"With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have realize what that implies," the senator said. "It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me."
"It means you believe in slavery," Paul added. "It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses."
Ah yes. Typical lolbertarian bullshit. Now, ANY obligation of any sort is "slavery", is it? Are police and firemen "slaves", Mr. Paul? Conscription? Police and firemen are not "conscripted", they do their fucking jobs which they signed up for, knowing their obligation to duty. "Slavery"? Try "responsibility". But they always have the option to quit, at any time. Just like you do, Mr. Paul. In fact, why not do us the favour and exercise your Randian imperative to voluntarily withdraw your labours? I'm sure the rest of society can somehow struggle along just fine without you.
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On another note, Rand Paul is not a physician. As far as I know, he is not licensed to practice medicene by any accredited authority. IIRC he did the same thing that cretinists do when they make up their own "scientific" journals and schools. He basically made up his own accreditation process that is not recognized by anyone but himself and other losers who were too stupid to get into a legit medical school.
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Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul said during a Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee hearing Wednesday that those who believe in a right to healthcare actually believe in slavery.
"With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have realize what that implies," the senator said. "It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me."
"It means you believe in slavery," Paul added. "It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses."
Ah yes. Typical lolbertarian bullshit. Now, ANY obligation of any sort is "slavery", is it? Are police and firemen "slaves", Mr. Paul? Conscription? Police and firemen are not "conscripted", they do their fucking jobs which they signed up for, knowing their obligation to duty. "Slavery"? Try "responsibility". But they always have the option to quit, at any time. Just like you do, Mr. Paul. In fact, why not do us the favour and exercise your Randian imperative to voluntarily withdraw your labours? I'm sure the rest of society can somehow struggle along just fine without you.
This also makes anybody a slave who assist in an emergency since there are laws that punish you for denial of assistance.
What I especially like is how he construes "the government will cover the costs of people who can't afford to pay" as "forced labor under threat of violence". Stay classy, Rand Paul.
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Darksider wrote:On another note, Rand Paul is not a physician. As far as I know, he is not licensed to practice medicene by any accredited authority. IIRC he did the same thing that cretinists do when they make up their own "scientific" journals and schools. He basically made up his own accreditation process that is not recognized by anyone but himself and other losers who were too stupid to get into a legit medical school.
He made up his own certification group. He graduated from a legitimate medical school and has a legitimate medical license. The certification thing you are thinking of is not legally required. However, 95% of people in his profession are certified by the certification group he is an ex-member of.
So while the man is a complete fucking moron and completely repugnant to me, he has every legal right to be considered a medical doctor. :/
Akhlut wrote:What I especially like is how he construes "the government will cover the costs of people who can't afford to pay" as "forced labor under threat of violence". Stay classy, Rand Paul.
Yes. The man just wants to make ridiculous amounts of money instead of merely lots of money. It basically boils down to 'being paid a bit less for government insured clients'.
Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul said during a Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee hearing Wednesday that those who believe in a right to healthcare actually believe in slavery.
"With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have realize what that implies," the senator said. "It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me."
"It means you believe in slavery," Paul added. "It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses."
Ah yes. Typical lolbertarian bullshit. Now, ANY obligation of any sort is "slavery", is it? Are police and firemen "slaves", Mr. Paul? Conscription? Police and firemen are not "conscripted", they do their fucking jobs which they signed up for, knowing their obligation to duty. "Slavery"? Try "responsibility". But they always have the option to quit, at any time. Just like you do, Mr. Paul. In fact, why not do us the favour and exercise your Randian imperative to voluntarily withdraw your labours? I'm sure the rest of society can somehow struggle along just fine without you.
Hell, in the US, especially in rural areas, the firefighters aren't even paid: a number are volunteer. Oh no! Slavery! Better emancipate them all!
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Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul said during a Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee hearing Wednesday that those who believe in a right to healthcare actually believe in slavery.
"With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have realize what that implies," the senator said. "It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me."
"It means you believe in slavery," Paul added. "It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses."
Ah yes. Typical lolbertarian bullshit. Now, ANY obligation of any sort is "slavery", is it? Are police and firemen "slaves", Mr. Paul? Conscription? Police and firemen are not "conscripted", they do their fucking jobs which they signed up for, knowing their obligation to duty. "Slavery"? Try "responsibility". But they always have the option to quit, at any time. Just like you do, Mr. Paul. In fact, why not do us the favour and exercise your Randian imperative to voluntarily withdraw your labours? I'm sure the rest of society can somehow struggle along just fine without you.
According to Rand Paul's logic, lawyers are now slaves because people have the right to representation in the U.S.
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Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul said during a Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee hearing Wednesday that those who believe in a right to healthcare actually believe in slavery.
"With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have realize what that implies," the senator said. "It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me."
"It means you believe in slavery," Paul added. "It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses."
So.... no one has the right to be alive? A right to life, if you will?
Interesting tack...
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Akhlut wrote:What I especially like is how he construes "the government will cover the costs of people who can't afford to pay" as "forced labor under threat of violence". Stay classy, Rand Paul.
That sounds like Free Stater nonsense. They seem to view the government not as merely too big, but as inherently criminal, and any act by it it inherently violent.
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Hmm... I wonder how Rand Paul and others would react if people took their "obligation -> slavery" arguement and applied it to the abortion topic. I'm morbidly curious to see how they'd backpedal or if they'd just throw up another layer of hypocrisy or doublethink.
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