Iraq Body Count Database.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-03-26 06:00am

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-03-26 06:50am

....I half expected to see a point tally and scoreboard at the top of the page...

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-26 06:53am

Uh... too bad, I thought they were still counted in dozens not in hundreds...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-03-26 07:05am

This is rather low for a full-scale war of this type.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-26 07:12am

HemlockGrey
Agree. It's all much more quiet. Still, war is war.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-03-26 08:46am

Odd, I noticed that they had 'Syrian Tour Bus' as a target...

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-26 01:18pm

I also noticed that the title of the chart is CIVILIANS killed, not SOLDIERS killed. So the Syrian tour bus fits nicely.

So much for precision-guided missiles. Let's invest some money in weapons that hit the bad guys, huh?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-26 01:23pm

Precise hit, yah. Precisely hitting civilians, failed to kill Saddam.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2003-03-26 01:24pm

Would you rather we went the old fashioned way and used dumb bombs to blow Baghdad back to the stone age?

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2003-03-26 01:25pm

No thanks. Either is bad.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-03-26 01:37pm

And weren't some people predicting "tens of thousnds of civilian deaths"?

There's notihng saying it could get worse, though. Some might be killed in taking Baghdad..

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-03-26 02:32pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:I also noticed that the title of the chart is CIVILIANS killed, not SOLDIERS killed. So the Syrian tour bus fits nicely.

So much for precision-guided missiles. Let's invest some money in weapons that hit the bad guys, huh?

If the Iraqis emplace stuff near civilian areas, noncombatants are, unfortunately, going to get killed. And things sometimes go awry (the marketplace incident, for example)

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-03-26 02:47pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:I also noticed that the title of the chart is CIVILIANS killed, not SOLDIERS killed. So the Syrian tour bus fits nicely.

So much for precision-guided missiles. Let's invest some money in weapons that hit the bad guys, huh?

What is with you people? This is like Star Trek perfect targeting crap. NOTHING is perfect! Why is it that when civilians get killed people keep saying the US went out of their way to kill them or other trash like this?

It's been said before and I'll say it again: if the US was trying to kill Iraqi civilians, that maximum dead estimate would be a lot more than around 300...

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-03-26 02:55pm

The civilian body count may rise dramaticaly,about a thousands Iraqi armored vehicle left Bagdad going south probably to fight against American forces.
And like the bunch of bastard they are,i would`nt be surprised if these assholes put 1 or 2 Iraqi civilians in each vehicle.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-03-26 03:39pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:I also noticed that the title of the chart is CIVILIANS killed, not SOLDIERS killed. So the Syrian tour bus fits nicely.

So much for precision-guided missiles. Let's invest some money in weapons that hit the bad guys, huh?

One misguided bomb, out of thousands that have been dropped and fired.

The bus was not targeted, the bomb simply went off course.

As previously stated, these numbers are incredibly low for a war of this scale.

Plus, this doesn't state anything about the Iraqi soldiers using civilians as human shields. I am seeing this as being more anti-war propaganda BS...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-03-26 04:40pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:And weren't some people predicting "tens of thousnds of civilian deaths"?

There's notihng saying it could get worse, though. Some might be killed in taking Baghdad..

during the protests, I was told 500k.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-03-26 07:50pm

Define "civilian". Saddam is deliberately planting his soldiers around Iraq dressed in civvie clothes, half so he can get the drop on US troops, and half to denote outrage from the rest of the worlds at "civilians" getting killed.

Further, Saddam also plans to kill his own civs and blame the US, if things get desperate enough.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-26 08:31pm

SPOOFE wrote:Define "civilian". Saddam is deliberately planting his soldiers around Iraq dressed in civvie clothes, half so he can get the drop on US troops, and half to denote outrage from the rest of the worlds at "civilians" getting killed.

Further, Saddam also plans to kill his own civs and blame the US, if things get desperate enough.

Regardless, if a US soldier killed an Iraqi with a gun, the stats would call him a soldier. Why does the chart say "Civilian," then?

Maybe this is why:

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-26 08:32pm

Indeed, someone in civilian clothes, armed, does not fall under the definition of civilian.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 08:37pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:Regardless, if a US soldier killed an Iraqi with a gun, the stats would call him a soldier. Why does the chart say "Civilian," then?

Maybe this is why:
http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/144/912/10x7/030323_war_06.jpg

It's regrettable that any civilians have died but when the enemy is in cities and indeed people's neighborhoods civilians deaths will occur. That at most 300 have died is a testament to the precision of the weapons.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-03-26 08:40pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:I also noticed that the title of the chart is CIVILIANS killed, not SOLDIERS killed. So the Syrian tour bus fits nicely.

So much for precision-guided missiles. Let's invest some money in weapons that hit the bad guys, huh?

Why don't you invest in a brain? Thousands of strike sorties flown, thousands of bombs and missiles expended and yet civilian deaths are in the hundreds. That's actually very good, and by the standards of pervious conflicts incredibly low.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-26 09:08pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Queeb Salaron wrote:I also noticed that the title of the chart is CIVILIANS killed, not SOLDIERS killed. So the Syrian tour bus fits nicely.

So much for precision-guided missiles. Let's invest some money in weapons that hit the bad guys, huh?
Why don't you invest in a brain? Thousands of strike sorties flown, thousands of bombs and missiles expended and yet civilian deaths are in the hundreds. That's actually very good, and by the standards of pervious conflicts incredibly low.

Is that so? Well, explain this next link:

http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/145/640/ssMain ... N280145640

MSNBC News wrote:Civilians struck
An Iraqi comforts a friend at a site allegedly hit by coalition missiles Wednesday in Baghdad, reportedly leaving at least 14 people dead and dozens injured. The missiles crashed into a building occupied by a car mechanic's garage on the ground floor and private apartments on the upper floors at 11:30 a.m. Baghdad time.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-03-26 09:12pm

Is that so? Well, explain this next link:

http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/145/640/ssMain ... N280145640

What part of his answer didn't you get?

Grow a brain, moron.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-03-26 09:14pm

MSNBC News wrote:Civilians struck
An Iraqi comforts a friend at a site allegedly hit by coalition missiles Wednesday in Baghdad, reportedly leaving at least 14 people dead and dozens injured. The missiles crashed into a building occupied by a car mechanic's garage on the ground floor and private apartments on the upper floors at 11:30 a.m. Baghdad time.

An important word there is allegedly. And that is on the list despite the unconfirmed ownership of the missle.

Three hundred civilian casulaties maximum is damn impressive considering the sheer numbers. Mistakes will happen because whatever else, there's humans involved. There's never been a war of this magnitude waged so surgically.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-26 09:17pm

fgalkin wrote:
Is that so? Well, explain this next link:

http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/145/640/ssMain ... N280145640
What part of his answer didn't you get?

Grow a brain, moron.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Look, it just seems to me that there are a lot of stories about civilians being killed and injured. And considering the website specifically listed civilian deaths... I dunno. How can anyone in their right minds say that 300 dead people is "very good"? It just seems to me as though there are certain Americans (particularly in the military) who don't care who fills the bodybags, so long as they're emaciated and brown.