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Invaders Find No Easy Ride in Southern Iraq
Sun March 23, 2003 09:35 AM ET

By Rosalind Russell
SOUTH OF BASRA, Iraq (Reuters) - As the convoy of British tanks and trucks rolled by, the Iraqi boys on the side of the road were all smiles and waves.

But once it had passed, leaving a trail of dust and grit in its wake, their smiles turned to scowls. "We don't want them here," said 17-years-old Fouad, looking angrily up at the plumes of gray smoke rising from the embattled southern city of Basra, under attack from U.S. and British forces for more than two days.

He pulled a piece of paper from the waistband of his trousers. Unfolding it, he held up a picture of Saddam Hussein.

"Saddam is our leader. Saddam is good," he said defiantly, looking again at his well-worn picture showing the Iraqi leader with a benign smile, sitting on a majestic throne.

British and U.S. ground troops invaded southern Iraq under cover of darkness on Thursday, pushing ahead to the outskirts of Basra on the banks of the Tigris river.

The city was the focus of an uprising following the 1991 Gulf War, brutally extinguished by Saddam. But if the invading forces were expecting an easy ride in the southern Shi'ite heartland, they may now be thinking again.

Pockets of resistance have sprung up in areas supposedly under U.S. or British control, notably the port town of Umm Qasr, still not secured nearly three days after the invasion.

At an abandoned Iraqi military complex 25 km (15 miles) south of Basra, relaxed British soldiers were on patrol on Sunday morning.

"It was an Iraqi training camp. We've cleared all the buildings, looked for booby traps, it's secured," said a young corporal.

But by early afternoon, after two Iraqi soldiers were spotted on waste ground nearby, three tanks sped back from the Basra frontline. Soldiers ran to take up positions, their guns trained in every direction.

In the desert scrub on either side of the main Basra road, U.S. Super Cobra helicopters have been deployed to swoop on pockets of resistance in territory ground troops raced through early on Friday.

Residents fleeing Basra said the Iraqi military had taken the battle into the city.

"There is fighting in the center, on the streets. It is terrible," said Hussein, a 24-year-old engineer who works for the state-run southern oil company.

Hussein said he escaped from the city on Saturday with his wife and young son. More civilians streamed out of Basra on Sunday, in trucks and battered cars crammed full with household belongings. The sound of machinegun and artillery fire echoed behind them.

"We don't want Americans here. This is Iraq," said Hussein.
Unfortunate that a 17-year old, the future generation of Iraq, could hold such thoughts.

I think this fits into a broader context of the fierce Iraqi resistance we're seeing- a hatred of foreign invaders. Like Hussein (not Saddam said), "this is Iraq". I can't think of any conceivable reason why the conscripts are fighting so hard, and not surrendering en masse, other than this.

Now that this war is started, I can only hope that Baghdad falls quickly, without disasters. Iraq's future is on the razors edge, IMO.
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No one likes invaders, no matter what they bring. In a case of war, it's obvious invaders bring death. Patriots will defend their country, even if they suffer from it's policies. It was shown innumerous times, but the clearest case is WWII: Soviet and German people defended valiantly their homelands, no matter that both of them carried the most violent, ruthless regimes of the XX century.
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When seeing the same face on TV and huge posters covering large walls with Saddam face on it year after year, it does slowly brainwash the children to think Saddam is a hero.
Just like watching Hollywood movies year after year, you start to think the movie actors are heros to. They can't tell the difference what is the best for them.
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Too bad, but you are true. Unless someone wants to change, he can't be forced to change.
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He's 17. Saddam has been ruler all his life. It's all he's known. You can't blame the kid for having bad morals.
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If you'd told that Stalin needs to be killed to a 60-year old man from the Soviet Union, he would immediately kill you. It's the way people are. They love their homeland and hate invaders.
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Kelly Antilles wrote:He's 17. Saddam has been ruler all his life. It's all he's known. You can't blame the kid for having bad morals.
I didn't say he had bad morals. It's just too bad, that's all.
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If you'd told that Stalin needs to be killed to a 60-year old man from the Soviet Union, he would immediately kill you. It's the way people are. They love their homeland and hate invaders.
And how does this relate to what I said? I said he's 17 and Saddam has been the leader of his country for his entire life. Saddam is all he knows. I never said Saddam needed to be killed.
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I said that age is irrelevant. My gm lived through the 1917 yet she never bragged about the Soviet regime and worked all too hard during the war to save it. It's just the thing everyone hates invaders.
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I said that age is irrelevant. My gm lived through the 1917 yet she never bragged about the Soviet regime and worked all too hard during the war to save it. It's just the thing everyone hates invaders.
Yet you said that I would have told said 60-yr old that Stalin needed to be killed. That is putting words into my mouth that I was saying Saddam needed to be killed. I did not ever once say that. I have never said that. Please stop labeling me because I'm an American.
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I never knew you were American, in fact. And I have nothing against civ. americans.
You said that it's bad morals. I don't thinks it's bad morals. In USSR, the supreme totalitarian regime, morale was higher than in United States of America. In Russia porn, violence, gangs were nearly a non-existent thing. It was kept by force, but it's "wrong beliefs" not "bad morals".
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Stas Bush wrote:Kelly Antilles
I never knew you were American, in fact. And I have nothing against civ. americans.
You said that it's bad morals. I don't thinks it's bad morals. In USSR, the supreme totalitarian regime, morale was higher than in United States of America. In Russia porn, violence, gangs were nearly a non-existent thing. It was kept by force, but it's "wrong beliefs" not "bad morals".
I missworded what I meant. I apologize.
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In USSR, the supreme totalitarian regime, morale was higher than in United States of America.
Oh yeah, Stas, thats why we had a FLOOD of people trying to go to the west throughout the Cold War. That morale was so damned high. :roll:
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We had, surprisingly, refugees from America in huge quantities and I even know some. Do I give a shit? No. Because if someone's looking to the side it doesn't mean everyone else is.
How many, I wonder? Few thousand? Check out the USSR population :D :lol:
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Stas Bush wrote:Stravo
We had, surprisingly, refugees from America in huge quantities and I even know some. Do I give a shit? No. Because if someone's looking to the side it doesn't mean everyone else is.
How many, I wonder? Few thousand? Check out the USSR population :D :lol:
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Refugees from America? Proof?
Should I just say: "I met John Hepplewhite, he emigrated from USA and said he never wants to come back" or you won't believe me?
Refugees from USSR? Proof? ;)
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Stas Bush wrote:Durran Korr
Refugees from America? Proof?
Should I just say: "I met John Hepplewhite, he emigrated from USA and said he never wants to come back" or you won't believe me?
Refugees from USSR? Proof? ;)
That's not a refugee, turbo, that's an immigrant. A refugee is someone trying to escape from war or political oppression.
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Durran Korr,
I wonder why he doesn't want to return there, although economical state of citizens is much better. The obvious explanation he's presuaded there.
And: what the proof about Soviet refugees? ;)
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Stas Bush wrote:Durran Korr,
I wonder why he doesn't want to return there, although economical state of citizens is much better. The obvious explanation he's presuaded there.
And: what the proof about Soviet refugees? ;)
Maybe because he likes it in Russia? In any case, that still doesn't make him a refugee (and I know someone will accuse me of splitting hairs, so don't, because there really is quite a difference).


BTW, where did I say anything whatsoever about Soviet refugees? You made the claim about American refugees and I demanded you back it up. I made no claim.
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Durran Korr,
OK, the point. He might be no refugee.

And the proof is demanded from... everyone who wills to claim soviet people run from USSR :D Of course, traitors of the Faterland such as USA spies don't count as refugees.
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We're reaping what we sowed right now by abandoning those people when they did EXACTLY WHAT WE FUCKING WANTED THEM TO DO and rose up against Saddam. The longer this war goes on, the more I'm convinced George H. W. Bush was a disgrace. How fucking hard would it have been to send F-15s to shoot down those Iraqi helicopters? "Humanitarian aid"--Saddam Fucking Hussien is sending humanitarian aid to provinces in rebellion against him. And I lick my own asshole for $50 bills.

No wonder they don't like us. We refused to topple Hussein when we had the chance in 1991, we encourage them to do our dirty work for them, and we sit on our fat asses and do nothing while they get slaughtered for it. Now, 12 years later, we invade their country. No matter how well this war goes, it's a Goddamned cockup that we had to fight it in the first place.
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Red Imperator, I cannot agree with you more. I was always ashamed that we did that and it is coming back to haunt us now I think as no one really wants to rise up because they're afraid we'll pull back at the last second or strike a deal that will keep him in power.
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Stas Bush wrote:Durran Korr,
OK, the point. He might be no refugee.

And the proof is demanded from... everyone who wills to claim soviet people run from USSR :D Of course, traitors of the Faterland such as USA spies don't count as refugees.
So, the whole Jewish emigration thing did not exist?

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wait wait..
In Russia porn, violence, gangs were nearly a non-existent thing.
Porn was nearly nonexistant? That explains alot about the pussywhipped Russian government :shock:
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