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Solauren wrote: 2024-03-26 05:02pm
Juubi Karakuchi wrote: 2024-03-26 10:47am Translation; Netanyahu annoying the Haredim like this risks blowing his majority and forcing an election he seems doomed to lose.
That might be the idea. It gives him, and his political party, a way out of the war, while leaving someone else to have to clean up the mess.
But also lands Netanyahu with nothing between him and the looming corruption trial.
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Rogue 9 wrote: 2024-03-26 07:48pm
Solauren wrote: 2024-03-26 05:02pm
Juubi Karakuchi wrote: 2024-03-26 10:47am Translation; Netanyahu annoying the Haredim like this risks blowing his majority and forcing an election he seems doomed to lose.
That might be the idea. It gives him, and his political party, a way out of the war, while leaving someone else to have to clean up the mess.
But also lands Netanyahu with nothing between him and the looming corruption trial.
You think he'd stick around Israel after he lost the election? Tropical island nations without extradition treaties exist for a reason.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... efire-gaza
Netanyahu has been spoiling for a fight with the US. He may not survive this one
Alon Pinkas
The UN vote for a Gaza ceasefire shows Biden’s administration has finally lost patience with Israel’s leader. That could be crucial
Tue 26 Mar 2024 16.47 GMT


How do you gaslight an entire nation about a war and then try to do the same to a superpower that is your ally? And how do you turn a just war into global isolation and widespread condemnation? Just ask Benjamin Netanyahu. He has the patent.

Netanyahu has been deliberately and intently seeking a confrontation with the US ever since late October. The UN security council resolution 2728, demanding an “immediate ceasefire”, is just the latest pretext for this premeditated showdown. This may sound counterintuitive and imprudent to you, given that the two countries are close allies, given Israel’s heavy reliance on US military aid and its diplomatic umbrella, and particularly given President Biden’s sweeping and unwavering support for Israel since the 7 October catastrophe.

But Netanyahu has two reasons to instigate such a confrontation. The first is pure gaslighting on a grand scale. He concocted a narrative that supposedly explains the war’s context and consequently absolves him from the responsibility and accountability he persistently refuses to assume. It also distracts from his stated policy of imploring Qatar to funnel more funds to Gaza to strengthen Hamas, all in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority and render any political negotiations impossible.

According to this narrative, 7 October was simply a debacle that could have been averted had the Israel Defense Forces and Shabak intelligence not failed. The bigger problem now, according to Netanyahu, is the possibility of a Palestinian state that the world, especially the US, has been trying to impose on Israel since the attack. According to this narrative, only a heroic Netanyahu can stand up to the US, defy an American president and prevent this travesty.

Now of course it is impossible that a new Palestinian state could be “imposed” from outside. But this framing allows Netanyahu to placate his rightwing extremist coalition and partners, who have long opposed any form of Palestinian statehood. And it lets him make conflict with the US a focal point, rather than his own failures. It’s not about the Louis XIV wannabe prime minister. It never is.

The second reason is more current and practical: the confrontation is about setting up Biden as the scapegoat for Netanyahu’s failure to achieve “total victory” or “the eradication of Hamas”, two fortune cookie-type slogans that he spews regularly.


The security council resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire, adopted by 14 members with the US abstaining, puts Israel on a double collision course: with the UN security council but more critically, with the US. Netanyahu’s sanctimonious tantrums about how “surprised” he was and how the US abstention is a departure from policy that would prevent victory is mendacious. He was warned repeatedly by the Biden administration that this would be an inevitable outcome if he persisted with his endless recalcitrance, defiance and effective refusal to engage with the US, ostensibly Israel’s staunch ally and protector.

When you ignore US requests, dismiss the president’s well-intentioned advice, inundate the secretary of state, Antony Blinken, with duplicitous spin, casually deride US plans and ideas for a reconfigured region, show crude intransigence by refusing to present a credible and coherent vision for postwar Gaza, hold a video call with Republican senators (a group that Netanyahu feels he is a life member of) and actively pursue an open confrontation with the administration, there’s a price to pay. Most recently, Blinken’s state department has warned Israel that it is increasingly isolated and is in danger of inflicting “generational damage” to its reputation and image.

Had Israel seriously engaged with the US on any of the above issues, without necessarily agreeing to everything, it would have prevented this rift. The US has one long-running fundamental contention with Israel: the lack of a coherent political objective for the war, with which military means must be aligned. The US inquired time after time about Israel’s goals and got nothing but “topple Hamas”, which is a worthy goal, but does not address the “day after”.

In respect of the security council, Israel will conveniently explain to itself that the resolution is not a big deal, that there is no imminent threat of sanctions and anyway, the UN was always and remains anti-Israeli. Perhaps. But that’s not the point. The resolution puts Israel in a very unpleasant and precarious place to be for a country, let alone a democracy and a US ally. The more critical and consequential arena is US-Israel relations. Their deterioration under Netanyahu has been well documented over the past year, but the security council resolution represents a new low.

Since around January time, the US has negatively revised its assessment of Israel under Netanyahu. He does not behave as an ally, he has accrued a debilitating credibility deficit over the years on a multitude of issues, and he has intentionally failed to come up with a plan for postwar Gaza – to the point where he is now seriously suspected in Washington of prolonging the war for his own political survival antics. The current showdown over the security council resolution widens the rift to the point that it is impossible to see how the trajectory will change as long as Netanyahu is in power.

At the moment, the US has three points of disagreement with Israel regarding the details of the prosecution of the war: the notion that Israel is impeding humanitarian aid; the number of civilian non-combatant deaths; and a possible military invasion of Rafah, on the southern tip of Gaza. These differences could have been resolved had Netanyahu and Biden had a working, honest and good-faith relationship. They do not. In fact, Netanyahu has a track record of confrontations and frequent spats with US administrations, from George HW Bush through to Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and now Biden. His – unsuccessful, it must be added – meddling in US politics is also a familiar trait of his since the 1990s.

The current state of relations is close to an inflection point, and could go in one of two directions: either Netanyahu is ousted or leaves or loses an election, or the US will be convinced that the bilateral ecosystem has faltered and warrants a major reassessment of relations. Under Netanyahu, Israel has reached the point at which its very value as an ally is being questioned. It took the US some time, but it finally seems to realise a simple fact: Israel may be an ally, but Netanyahu most certainly is not.

Alon Pinkas served as Israel’s consul general in New York from 2000 to 2004. He is now a columnist for Haaretz
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Has Netanyahu lost his fucking mind?

Israel loses the US's support, then Israel will end up fucking losing Israel.
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No he hasn't, because there's basically no chance of the US not supporting Israel and as the article mentions Netanyahu has gotten away with this sort of bullshit for a long time.

Netanyahu clearly believes that Biden is his bitch and will bend over and accept anything he does or says with every bit as much alacrity as Biden's own supporters in the US. Other than the amazing policy break of Biden not bothering to veto one unenforceable resolution saying that it would be a really good thing if Israel had a ceasefire (Hamas is worse) he hasn't given any reason to doubt that
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Netanyahu is losing the support of American Jews. When I spend time with my local Jewish community the manner in which Netanyahu is described is scathing.

If Netanyahu loses the support of American Jews he will lose American support. Note Chuck Schumer's speech calling for Netanyahu to be replaced - Chuck Schumer being the highest placed Jewish politician in the US. Netanyahu has convinced himself that American Jews will slavishly follow/support him as leader of Israel no matter what but there's a lot of questioning. The American far right, and Netanyahu, are calling such dissenting Jews "traitors" but the reality is millions of people don't want to be associated with war crimes, genocide, and atrocity.

Right now, Netanyahu has more support from American Christians than from American Jews. Unfortunately, Christians of the worst sort, the ones salivating for Armageddon and the death of billions to fulfill their end-time myths.

The big tipping point is who wins the US presidential election in November. Trump loves strong men and Netanyahu fits his fantasies, and Trump also calls Jews who don't join his cult "traitors". Biden's reaction may be tepid, but Trump's would be full-on rabid support of butchery.

In the end, who is in charge in Washington may make little difference to Gazans, but it has implications for fascist vs. non-fascist governments going forward, and whether or not we'll see more of this sort of population obliteration in the future.
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Broomstick wrote: 2024-03-28 04:32am Netanyahu is losing the support of American Jews. When I spend time with my local Jewish community the manner in which Netanyahu is described is scathing.

If Netanyahu loses the support of American Jews he will lose American support. Note Chuck Schumer's speech calling for Netanyahu to be replaced - Chuck Schumer being the highest placed Jewish politician in the US. Netanyahu has convinced himself that American Jews will slavishly follow/support him as leader of Israel no matter what but there's a lot of questioning. The American far right, and Netanyahu, are calling such dissenting Jews "traitors" but the reality is millions of people don't want to be associated with war crimes, genocide, and atrocity.

Right now, Netanyahu has more support from American Christians than from American Jews. Unfortunately, Christians of the worst sort, the ones salivating for Armageddon and the death of billions to fulfill their end-time myths.
As our president has said, you don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. Since as you say American Jews aren't Netanyahu's personal pet demographic and many of them do not want to be associated with Israeli atrocities, and seeing as Netanyahu wishes to continue said atrocities and benefits from doing so, doesn't it make more sense for him to focus on American Christian Zionists and Zionism supporters as a source of influence on US politics? American Jews may be a significant demographic, but it's not like they have an alternative to vote for anymore than the rest of us.

It's going to be hard for him to lose US support if he's able to keep US support for him intertwined with support for Israel in general.
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Oh, definitely - it would also help Netanyahu because there may well be more American Christian Zionist types than actual American Jews (I couldn't be arsed to crunch the numbers this afternoon).
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For Biden, this is not a simple matter.

Ordinarily, siding with Israel would be a politically safe position to take. But things have changed. Looking in from the outside, there seems to be a lot of anger among Americans about the war; with Muslim and Arab-Americans being particularly anti-war. At least some within these demographics have been threatening to stay home, or even vote Trump, as a protest. Whichever path he choses, he's going to alienate somebody; and getting it wrong could cost him the election.

In that respect, the big question is which side has the most to offer him; or the most to threaten him with. In theory, Zionist/Evangelical voters are inclined to vote Trump anyway; so appeasing them is pointless. By the same token, the anti-war voters threatening to turn on him are hitherto Democrat voters. Unless Biden can find some other way to shore up his base, he may have no choice but to take Netanyahu on. No doubt that's what the anti-war voters are hoping for.

On top of all that, there's the emotional side of things. Biden is an old man, and losing this election means the end of his political career; and if Trump's threats are to be believed, the wider consequences could be far worse. Netanyahu has done little but insult, provoke, and undermine him at every turn; and makes no secret of his admiration for Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if Biden and his administration lash out at Netanyahu out of sheer anger and desperation.
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Juubi Karakuchi wrote: 2024-03-29 08:41amI wouldn't be surprised if Biden and his administration lash out at Netanyahu out of sheer anger and desperation.
Netanyahu isn't looking to give Biden much of a choice in the matter. He's simply not behaving as an ally; even if Israel is, Bibi is not. His government has been flagrantly ignoring to outright ridiculing the U.S. position on the conduct of the war while threatening to cancel diplomatic delegations (Netanyahu only just relented on that), blocking U.S. and allied attempts to provide effective humanitarian aid, and courting the administration's political opponents in an election year. Biden essentially has to address this. The "come to Jesus" hot mic moment after the State of the Union shows that he knows it, too.
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Let's hope Biden grows a spine and cuts Netanyahoo off. Israel is also escalating the war on other fronts, their latest hit (literally) being an air strike on the Iranian embassy compound in Damascus, which is basically a casus belli provocation against both Iran and Syria at the same time. Netanyahoo seeks to ignite a wider regional conflict, probably because he knows Iran does not want open war, so he thinks he can do whatever he pleases with impunity. That Zionazi war criminal is also probably counting on the US intervening militarily in favor of Israel if he does succeed in fanning the flames to a larger conflagration.
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What I don't get is, how does Israel benefit from that? I mean the news organisations have for months been pointing out how much of a powder keg the whole region is and how many powers have it out for Israel.
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People do not always act rationally, and that includes people in control of a national government.
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True, he has just had hernia surgery and might have been loopy from the anaesthetic.
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Rogue 9 wrote: 2024-03-29 08:51pm Netanyahu isn't looking to give Biden much of a choice in the matter. He's simply not behaving as an ally; even if Israel is, Bibi is not.
That's pretty much always been true about Israel. America supports the place due to a variety of political and cultural factors. Not because it's good for the US.

I remember a Malaysian friend asking me in college why that was because he legit didn't understand what the US got out of it, even from a they're our vassal and we'll back them no matter what standpoint. Didn't really have a good answer, but years later I heard someone compare it to China's relationship with North Korea and suddenly a lot of things made sense.

And that's normally. Biden is a self-declared Zionist and Israel supporter well beyond what's normal for his peers. Which all gives Netanyahu plenty of reason to think Biden will accept all that stuff you mentioned same as always.
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2024-04-01 06:10pm What I don't get is, how does Israel benefit from that? I mean the news organisations have for months been pointing out how much of a powder keg the whole region is and how many powers have it out for Israel.
Israel doesn't; Netanyahu does. The instant the war's over, he loses an election and goes to trial on corruption charges. There have been mass protests against his conduct of the war in Tel Aviv for the last several days.
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Ralin wrote: 2024-04-01 09:36pm
Rogue 9 wrote: 2024-03-29 08:51pm Netanyahu isn't looking to give Biden much of a choice in the matter. He's simply not behaving as an ally; even if Israel is, Bibi is not.
That's pretty much always been true about Israel. America supports the place due to a variety of political and cultural factors. Not because it's good for the US.
Post WWII plenty of Europeans saw Modern Israel and Jews migrating there as a convenient "solution" to the Jews that had survived the Nazis, which I believe was also a factor in the establishment of the country and tolerance of some of their bullshit over the decades.
Ralin wrote: 2024-04-01 09:36pm And that's normally. Biden is a self-declared Zionist and Israel supporter well beyond what's normal for his peers. Which all gives Netanyahu plenty of reason to think Biden will accept all that stuff you mentioned same as always.
Historically, American Jews have tended to be Democrat, and Jews are disproportionately wealthy for a minority, which means historically Democrats sounded pro-Israel. That may change, between some American Jews jumping on the Trumpwagon and more progressive AJ's being opposed to Netanyahu's crowd, that is, the current government of Israel.

The Trumpists are weirdly pro-Israel, too - Trump's son-in-law Kushner seems to have some influence over Trump (probably a big reason Trump moved the US embassy during his term) and then there are the evangelicals who don't, actually, like Jewish people but it's essential to their bloody end-times myth that the Jews exist, go back to Israel, and be cannon-fodder in the war(s) they lust for.

All of which means that my country's government is far, far, far too tolerant of the hideous bullshit happening in Gaza right now.
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Rogue 9 wrote: 2024-04-01 11:24pm
EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2024-04-01 06:10pm What I don't get is, how does Israel benefit from that? I mean the news organisations have for months been pointing out how much of a powder keg the whole region is and how many powers have it out for Israel.
Israel doesn't; Netanyahu does. The instant the war's over, he loses an election and goes to trial on corruption charges. There have been mass protests against his conduct of the war in Tel Aviv for the last several days.
Imo, Bibi is saying 'egypt to open borders and accept all the Palestinians to be distributed across the Arab world, or we will trigger a full region war, which we will win, and cost you all much more'
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World Central Kitchen halts operations after Israeli Strike kills staff
International food charity World Central Kitchen (WCK) is suspending its operations in Gaza following the death of seven of its workers in an Israeli air strike.

Three of the killed aid workers were British citizens, WCK said.

The charity said those killed were part of an aid convoy that was leaving a warehouse in central Gaza on Monday.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has acknowledged that Israel's forces hit "innocent people".
LIVE COVERAGE -- Israeli Strike kills Aid workers
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Seven people working for food aid charity World Central Kitchen (WCK) have been killed in an Israeli strike in Gaza

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu says the convoy they were in was hit unintentionally
"It happens in war... and we will do everything so that this thing does not happen again," he says

Three British nationals were among those killed, along with Australian, Polish, Palestinian workers and a dual US-Canadian citizen

Australia's PM has said he expects "full accountability" after Lalzawmi "Zomi" Frankcom was listed among the dead

A Palestinian medical source told the BBC the workers had been wearing bullet-proof vests bearing the charity's logo

The CEO of World Central Kitchen says it was an "unforgiveable attack" - the organisation is pausing its operations
At least Netanyahu is admitting there was a major fuckup.
It looks like most of the Aid Workers were from other countries, countries that until now were friendly or tolerant. I have to wonder how this will change those countries' stance towards Netanyahu's government. Whomever gave the order to fire on this Aid Convoy is either going to vanish and never be found, or be brought out as the Judas Goat in hopes it saves Netanyahu's skin.
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Three of them were ours :evil:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has confirmed his military's "unintended" airstrike has killed British nationals in Gaza, along with other aid workers.

UK officials have demanded an immediate investigation, which Netanyahu also promised, after the strike that killed seven.

At least three Britons are believed to have died, according to hospital reports, along with other foreign aid workers from Australia, Poland, and a US-Canada dual citizen.

The World Central Kitchen (WCK), the charity employing the victims at the time of their death, confirmed the news on Tuesday morning.

Mr Netanyahu later acknowledged the country's forces had carried out the "unintended strike" on "innocent people in the Gaza Strip."

He said a thorough investigation will take place, as well as discussions with foreign governments, so that "everything will be done that something like this will not happen again."

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak says he is “shocked and saddened” by the deaths, saying “clearly there are questions that need to be answered”.

The deaths of three British aid workers in an Israeli air strike are “outrageous and unacceptable”, Sir Keir Starmer said as he called for international law to be upheld.

Sir Keir said: : “Reports of the death of British nationals – among others from World Central Kitchen – in an Israeli strike on Gaza are horrifying. Our thoughts are with the families of all of those killed.

“We condemn this strike. There must be a full investigation and those responsible must be held to account.

“This war must stop now. Far too many innocent people have died in this conflict and more than a million are facing starvation. Labour repeats our call for an immediate ceasefire, the immediate release of all hostages and full humanitarian access into Gaza.”

Foreign Secretary David Cameron said he had spoken to his Israeli counterpart, Israel Katz, to stress the need for “major changes” to ensure the safety of aid workers in Gaza.

The latest of two batches of aid confirmed as having left Cyprus on ships in the last couple of weeks will now return without having delivered the 240 tonnes of supplies as initially intended.

WCK has now paused all operations in the region, while the UN World Food Programme paused its aid deliveries in February until conditions would "allow for safe distributions".

The Australian aid worker has been named as 44-year-old Zomi Frankcom, from Melbourne, by Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT), while the Polish worker was identified by his hometown mayor as Damian Soból, from Przemyśl.

Zomi's family told ITV News' Australian partner 7News she had been growing increasingly anxious about crossing through Israeli checkpoints. Hours before her death she had sent a photo to her brother of her and fellow aid workers smiling, with the comment "we made it".

They want Zomi to be remembered as an "outstanding person with a beautiful spirit".

Poland's foreign ministry said it would not confirm any personal details about the victim until the Polish consul was able to carry out a formal identification, but Przemyśl authorities lowered national flags to half-mast on all administration buildings in the southeastern city.

Mayor Wojciech Bakun wrote on X that there were no words to describe the loss of this “fantastic young man.”

“These brave people are changing the world for the better with their service and sacrifice for the others,” Poland’s President Andrzej Duda said on X.

WCK said the workers were in the process of delivering desperately needed food aid that had arrived by sea from Cyprus on Monday when they were struck late that same evening.

A WHO spokesperson said both sides would have known aid workers were travelling through the area.

"This was an agreed mission, with this team, it was deconflicted. Deconflicted means both sides know they're coming, both sides have agreed. The car was well marked, it was very clear it was World Central Kitchen," Margaret Harris said.

Israeli military officials described the deaths of the aid workers as "tragic" after the "unintended" air strike.

"We will be opening a probe to examine this serious incident further. This will help us reduce the risk of such an event from occurring again," IDF Spokesperson, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said in a video address.

He added the military has been "reviewing the incident at the highest levels" to understand exactly what happened and that they "will share [their] findings transparently."

The team had unloaded more than 100 tonnes of humanitarian food aid brought to Gaza on the route from Cyprus, when the convoy was hit as it was leaving the Deir al-Balah warehouse, WCK said in a statement released on Tuesday.

WCK’s founder, celebrity chef Jose Andres, said in a post on X: "Today @WCKitchen lost several of our sisters and brothers in an IDF airstrike in Gaza.

Speaking after the airstrike, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said there have been "too many civilian deaths in Gaza"

“I am heartbroken and grieving for their families and friends and our whole WCK family. These are people… angels… I served alongside in Ukraine, Gaza, Turkey, Morocco, Bahamas, Indonesia. They are not faceless… they are not nameless."

WCK’s founder, celebrity chef Jose Andres, said in a post on X: “Today @WCKitchen lost several of our sisters and brothers in an IDF airstrike in Gaza.

“I am heartbroken and grieving for their families and friends and our whole WCK family. These are people… angels… I served alongside in Ukraine, Gaza, Turkey, Morocco, Bahamas, Indonesia. They are not faceless… they are not nameless."

Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) said the killed employees "were targeted by Israeli occupation forces" in a post on X on Tuesday. It added two of the bodies were initially missing, but were later located and retrieved by the PRCS team.

Footage posted on social media by the Hamas-affiliated Quds News Network shows a destroyed vehicle marked with World Central Kitchen signage

All seven bodies were then transported to the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir al-Balah and on to Abu Yousef al-Najjar Hospital in preparation for their evacuation through the Rafah border crossing, the PRCS said.

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said his government has requested an explanation from Israel of how the incident occurred.

Mr Albanese said Israel’s ambassador to Australia Amir Maimon was asked to call Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) and explain how Zomi Frankcom came to be killed.

Airstrikes and a ground offensive by Israel have killed more than 32,000 Palestinians, according to local health authorities, while around 75,000 people are thought to be injured.
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This has resulted in any aid organisations who don't like the idea of their members being killed by the IDF going into Gaza, halting all further aid. Which fits with Israel's goal of depopulating Gaza.
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EnterpriseSovereign wrote: 2024-04-02 05:26pm Which fits with Israel's goal of depopulating Gaza.
How long have they been repeating that 32,000 dead number anyway? Seems like the count has been stuck there for awhile.
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Broomstick wrote: 2024-04-02 05:00am Trump's son-in-law Kushner seems to have some influence over Trump (probably a big reason Trump moved the US embassy during his term)
Here's an article telling us what Kushner thinks of Gaza:

Jared Kushner says Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’.
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LadyTevar wrote: 2024-04-02 10:56am At least Netanyahu is admitting there was a major fuckup.
It looks like most of the Aid Workers were from other countries, countries that until now were friendly or tolerant. I have to wonder how this will change those countries' stance towards Netanyahu's government. Whomever gave the order to fire on this Aid Convoy is either going to vanish and never be found, or be brought out as the Judas Goat in hopes it saves Netanyahu's skin.
Netanyahoo is lying. It was an intentional strike. You don't hit a three car convoy marked humanitarian aid so that missiles destroy each car when the distance between the kills sites for the different cars are over a kilometer apart. Threee cars, three missiles, wrecks about 1.5 km apart.

It was a deliberately targeted killing, as have been other attacks against aid convoys. There are over 200 dead aid workers from NGO organizations. This is intentional Israeli policy.
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Edi wrote: 2024-04-02 11:32pm
LadyTevar wrote: 2024-04-02 10:56am At least Netanyahu is admitting there was a major fuckup.
It looks like most of the Aid Workers were from other countries, countries that until now were friendly or tolerant. I have to wonder how this will change those countries' stance towards Netanyahu's government. Whomever gave the order to fire on this Aid Convoy is either going to vanish and never be found, or be brought out as the Judas Goat in hopes it saves Netanyahu's skin.
Netanyahoo is lying. It was an intentional strike. You don't hit a three car convoy marked humanitarian aid so that missiles destroy each car when the distance between the kills sites for the different cars are over a kilometer apart. Threee cars, three missiles, wrecks about 1.5 km apart.

It was a deliberately targeted killing, as have been other attacks against aid convoys. There are over 200 dead aid workers from NGO organizations. This is intentional Israeli policy.
Exactly.

From the pictures, the missiles hit dead center on the aid agency logo on the top of each vehicle. They were looking for those vehicles specifically. By coordinating with the IDF they signed their own death warrant.

If this sort of incident was truly a one off, if these "oopsies" were in fact rare, then I might believe it was a "fog of war" accident. But that's not what's happening. There is a repeating pattern here:

Aid convoy/hospital/food drop gets hit
IDF says "Oops - our bad. We'll investigate"
Never hear anything more about the "investigation"
IDF hailed as heros
Next day happens all over again.

This is a campaign of extermination against anyone and everyone in Gaza for any reason. The IDF is treating anyone within the borders as an enemy, including targeting medics and food.

Meanwhile, Netanyahu's regime is hailing the people who murder people lying helpless in a hospital bed, maim children, and starve literally hundreds of thousands of people as heros. The people who hit the World Kitchen convey will get medals, not punishment.

Not that anyone puts me in charge of anything, but if I had the power to make such decisions I'd tell Israel that they're now on their own - nothing goes into Israel. Not weapons. Not money. Not fuel or parts or food or medicine or anything. If they want to start a war, or continue one, they're on their own. Truly on their own. And if their neighbors destroy them too fucking bad for them.

Except, of course, that's just angry fantasy. And there are plenty of common people in Israel opposed to this mess, many of whom are being arrested by Netanyahu's government for speaking up, or even killed if they attempt to actually help anyone being oppressed.

Meanwhile, the Rabid Right in the US are getting their rocks off with the blood and destruction and hoping it's the end times when billions will die horribly and most will suffer eternally because they're a bunch of deluded sadists. To them it doesn't matter if Israel does right or wrong so long as Israel exists to be cannon fodder in their end-times fantasies. THOSE are the biggest drivers of the US backing Israel despite the moral bankruptcy of the current regime.
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