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Gunman dead after 10 killed in Los Angeles shooting during Lunar New Year
A gunman who killed ten people and injured another ten in a mass shooting at a Los Angeles-area nightclub after a Lunar New Year celebration has been found dead after suffering a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Investigators identified 72-year-old Huu Can Tran as the gunman behind the mass shooting.

Police found him dead in a van, in which authorities say he fled after people thwarted his attempt at a second shooting Saturday night.

LA County Sheriff Robert Luna said the shooting at the Star Ballroom Dance Studio in Monterey Park left five women and five men dead and injured another 10 people.

Then 20 to 30 minutes later, a man with a gun entered the Lai Lai Ballroom in nearby Alhambra. Authorities believe the two events are connected, but no details about a possible motive have been shared.

Hours earlier, Mr Luna said authorities were looking for a white van after witnesses reported seeing the suspect flee from Alhambra in such a vehicle.

“We believe there is a person inside of that vehicle," Mr Luna said.

"We don’t know their condition, but we’re going to handle that in safest manner that we possibly can and try and identify that person. Could it be our suspect? Possibly."

By midday, police in tactical vehicles and bomb-squad trucks surrounded a white van in a parking lot.

In response to a question, Luna said it was possible that the person barricaded in van is dead.

Members of a SWAT team entered the van a short time later and looked through its contents before walking away. It was unclear what they found.

The sheriff declined to say what type of gun was recovered in Alhambra. He said investigators believe the gun used in Monterey Park was not an assault rifle.

Monterey Park is a city of about 60,000 people on the eastern edge of Los Angeles and is made up mostly of Asian immigrants from China or first-generation Asian-Americans.

It’s too early in the investigation to know if the gunman knew anyone at the ballroom or if it was a hate crime or not, Mr Meyer said.

It marked the fifth mass shooting in the US this month and the deadliest since 21 people were killed in a school in Uvalde, Texas, according to The Associated Press/USA Today database on mass killings in the country.

The latest violence comes two months after five people were killed at a Colorado Springs nightclub.

Seung Won Choi, who owns the Clam House seafood barbecue restaurant across the street from where the shooting happened, told the Los Angles Times that three people rushed into his business and told him to lock the door.

The people also told Mr Choi that there was a shooter with a machine gun who had multiple rounds of ammunition on him so he could reload.

Mr Choi said he believes the shooting took place at a dance club and, while Sergeant Boese did not name the business, he said it was in the 120 block of Garvey Avenue.

One business along that block is Star Ballroom Dance Studio, where an event called 'Star Night' was held from 8pm to 11.30pm, according to a calendar on its website.

The newspaper reported that the shooting happened after 10pm - which was 6am in the UK.

Saturday was the start of the two-day festival, which is one of the largest Lunar New Year events in Southern California.
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BBC News states that "an old friend who lost contact" said Mr. Tran was a patron of the ballroom, but "was hostile to a lot of people there".

So it sounds like a very personal vendetta, but I'm not sure why he then went to the other ballroom in Alhambra.

Still, something caused a 72yr old Asian man who reportedly loved ballroom dancing to drive to two different Ballrooms in two different cities with the intent of shooting people. Were his victims ones he was 'hostile' too? Was there a medical condition affecting his judgement?
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LadyTevar wrote: 2023-01-23 06:20pm BBC News states that "an old friend who lost contact" said Mr. Tran was a patron of the ballroom, but "was hostile to a lot of people there".
Yeah, no shit he was hostile!

I keep hearing the TV news say he had an "assault pistol". WTF is an "assault pistol"? I have never heard that term before this particular mass shooting.
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Broomstick wrote: 2023-01-23 08:03pm I keep hearing the TV news say he had an "assault pistol". WTF is an "assault pistol"? I have never heard that term before this particular mass shooting.
Before there were assault weapons, there were assault pistols in the 1980s.

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MKSheppard wrote: 2023-01-23 08:13pm
Broomstick wrote: 2023-01-23 08:03pm I keep hearing the TV news say he had an "assault pistol". WTF is an "assault pistol"? I have never heard that term before this particular mass shooting.
Before there were assault weapons, there were assault pistols in the 1980s.

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Well, he'd be old enough to have bought one back then.
But IMHO one stupid media person called it that, and the term just got repeated by all the other AP news. I'm betting the weapon was not an "assault" anything.
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LadyTevar wrote: 2023-01-23 08:30pmBut IMHO one stupid media person called it that, and the term just got repeated by all the other AP news. I'm betting the weapon was not an "assault" anything.
Seems there's multiple crime scenes and multiple weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Mont ... k_shooting

First Scene: Star Ballroom Dance Studio -- MAC 10, 42 rounds fired.

Second Scene: Lai Lai Ballroom and Studio some 17 minutes later -- someone wrestles away the MAC-10 from him.

Third Scene: Commits suicide inside white van with Norinco 7.62 x 25mm handgun.
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MKSheppard wrote: 2023-01-23 09:31pm
LadyTevar wrote: 2023-01-23 08:30pmBut IMHO one stupid media person called it that, and the term just got repeated by all the other AP news. I'm betting the weapon was not an "assault" anything.
Seems there's multiple crime scenes and multiple weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Mont ... k_shooting

First Scene: Star Ballroom Dance Studio -- MAC 10, 42 rounds fired.

Second Scene: Lai Lai Ballroom and Studio some 17 minutes later -- someone wrestles away the MAC-10 from him.

Third Scene: Commits suicide inside white van with Norinco 7.62 x 25mm handgun.
They got a lot more information than I'd seen released up til now.
Assuming it's correctly attributed, then I assume he had the MAC from a much earlier purchase.

Some of this is fitting together, assuming his ex-wife really was at the Star Ballroom. Still does not explain hitting the Lai Lai.
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Never heard the term 'assault pistol' before either. The M10/M11 are submachine guns.
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I did a little more Google researching. Apparently there are some traits of the MAC pistol that fall under California's assault weapons laws. Not entirely clear on it, but one factor are the large capacity magazines and another is a threaded barrel. The weapon used has been described as "semi-automatic" so presumably it wasn't on full-auto or perhaps not capable of that. I'm working with third-hand information at best.

It illustrates one of the problems with guns in the US - there are so damn many of them that obtaining one that has been declared illegal somewhere isn't that difficult for someone intent on mayhem.
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The term could also be referring to one of those weird oversized pistols that are basically an AR-15 receiver with an eight-inch barrel and no stock, like some sort of post-modern "mare's leg". If there is a point to doing that besides rules-lawyering around local restrictions on military-style firearms then I couldn't tell you what it is, but they were a thing you could buy at one point.
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Submachine guns have also been historically called machine pistols, right? Laypeople can mix up terminology. Like how in the Philippines everything is an Armalite lol (well actually just M-16 derivatives).
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A machine pistol, as I understand gun terminology, is a fully automatic pistol. Which, apparently, was a thing at one time although the way they go through ammo they aren't really practical. A MAC is semi-auto, or is supposed to be if it's sold in the US to the average person. There probably is a full-auto version, or the potential for it, but there's a shit-ton of paperwork for a civilian to have a full-auto anything, and lots of fees (I've heard it all starts around $50,000 and goes up from there).

The news is describing it as "semi-auto" when the talking heads are making any sense at all, so presumably it's a semi-auto fucking-ugly oversized handgun with a 30 round clip and a threaded barrel, the latter two being the traits that make it an "assault weapon" under California law, which may or may not be applicable anywhere outside of California.
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Old VPC study from 2013:

https://vpc.org/studies/awpistols.pdf
Not since the late 1980s and early 1990s has there been such a wide selection of assault pistols available for sale in the United States. During that period, UZI pistols, MAC-10s, and TEC-9s were the prominent assault pistols seen on television and movie screens as well as displayed on gun store counters.

Today, more assault pistol makes and models are available than ever before for civilian sale in the United States. They range from models that were named under the now-expired federal assault weapons ban (such as the UZI pistol, MAC-10, and Calico) to newer models such as the aforementioned AK-47 and AR-15 pistols.
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There are full-auto pistols that fit in one hand [two's always better, but you can do it] but will empty the entire magazine if you hold down the trigger. I have shot one; some of my friends collect weapons (including some CRAZY WWII shit) and I don't want to enable the nutfucks, but you all have Google.

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A machine gun will empty the entire belt if you hold down the trigger (until the first stoppage of course), that's the way automatic weapons are supposed to WORK. I knew about automatic pistols, they're a rather niche weapon with very limited utility, I just can't recall them ever being called 'assault pistols' (but then I don't live in the US).
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Apparently, some of us who have lived in the US all our lives have never heard of "assault pistols" either. It seems to be a California turn of phrase.
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Broomstick wrote: 2023-01-27 04:28am Apparently, some of us who have lived in the US all our lives have never heard of "assault pistols" either. It seems to be a California turn of phrase.
I always heard of an Uzi or Mac-10 as a "submachine gun". Otherwise, they were called by Name (Uzi, Mac10)
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it is indeed a Californacation intended to drum up fear and news viewership
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