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So should the poor widdle cops, then, if the paperwork they have to deal with is SUCH a drudgery.
I mean, all of your "expanded reasoning" proceeded from the same premise that I refuted in my last post, so there was really no need.
You...actually haven't bothered to refute any of my expanded non-tl;dr reasoning.
They do have an ideology. To win at all cost.Ziggy Stardust wrote: ↑2020-07-22 10:30am I get it, it just always blows my mind how quickly the right-wing has dropped every pretense of having a coherent ideology (other than white supremacy, anyway).
This speaks for itself doesn't it?United Nations calls on US police to halt use of force against journalists covering protests
The plea comes amid a rise in attacks on members of the press by American authorities – as well as more arrests
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Journalists covering protests in the United States should be permitted to do their jobs without fear of attack or arrest, the United Nations human rights office said on Friday.
A mounting crackdown on reporters by authorities has been seen in recent weeks as the Trump administration has deployed federal agents to several cities where demonstrators are calling for racial justice.
And now, UN human rights spokesperson Liz Throssell has spoken out to protect the press.
“[The protests] must be able to continue without those participating in them and also the people reporting on them, the journalists, risking arbitrary arrest or detention, being subject to unnecessary disproportionate or discriminatory use of force or suffering other violations of their rights,” she said at a news conference in Geneva.
Her comments come after weeks of US authorities attacking and arresting the journalists who are covering the historic racial protests sparked by the police killing of George Floyd.
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I was arrested, jailed and assaulted. My ‘crime’? Being a journalist
On 1 July, Andrew Buncombe, chief US correspondent with The Independent, was arrested in Seattle while covering the police clearance of the Capitol Hill Organised Protest (CHOP). He was charged with failure to disperse despite repeatedly identifying himself as a journalist. He was held for at least eight hours before being released.
In response, The Independent launched a campaign to protect journalists called Journalism Is Not a Crime.
Announcing the initiative, The Independent said in an editorial: “What we see today is how often the human rights of many, reporters included, seem to be casually disregarded by American police forces that are granted extraordinary immunities from prosecution. A certain institutional ethos has developed that the police are above the law, and have so little to fear from press scrutiny that they can lock journalists up with impunity.
“It is not healthy for a police officer to treat justice and the tradition of habeas corpus as dispensable, mere inconveniences to clearing the streets.”
More than 70 journalists in the US have been arrested during Black Lives Matter demonstrations, while dozens of others have been injured by rubber bullets, pepper spray and tear gas. The US Press Freedom Tracker has collected more than 500 reports of journalists being targeted during unrest in the wake of George Floyd’s killing by police in late May.
Karen Pierce, the UK ambassador to the US, told The Independent on Friday that America has a “very strong track record on media freedom, and naturally we look to that to continue.”
“I have taken up [Andrew Buncombe’s] case and that of other British journalists with the State Department and the White House,” she said in response to a question from The Independent about the rise of attacks on journalists in the US.
Ms Throssell, from the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, raised concerns over reports that people were being detained by unidentified federal officers in Portland, Oregon.
“That is a worry, because it may place those detained outside the protection of the law, and may give rise to arbitrary detention and other human rights violations,” she said.
The Trump administration’s decision to send federal agents to Portland and a number of other US cities has sparked controversy in recent days. The president announced plans this week to send agents to Chicago and Albuquerque, New Mexico, as he increasingly touts “law and order” as the central theme of his 2020 re-election campaign.
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Journalism is not a crime – protecting the press is vitally important
Agents from the US Customs and Border Protection, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Department of Homeland Security’s Federal Protective Service were deployed to Portland ostensibly to protect federal buildings. But video and witness testimony has emerged in recent days showing them detaining people without cause far from federal property, and using violence against peaceful protesters.
On Thursday, a judge in Portland barred federal law enforcement officers from arresting or using physical force against journalists and legal observers attending the protests if they were not committing any crimes.
“When wrongdoing is under way, officials have great incentive to blindfold the eyes of the fourth estate,” federal judge Michael H Simon said in his ruling. “The free press is the guardian of the public interest, and the judiciary is the guardian of the press.”
Portland’s mayor has described the use of federal agents to quell protests as “a direct threat to democracy”.
Two federal watchdogs launched investigations this week into the use of force by federal law enforcement agents in Portland and Washington DC during the protests.
New footage has emerged of the moments leading up to George Floyd's death. Bodycam video from the two police officers accused of being involved in the murder of Mr Floyd has been leaked to MailOnline that reveal the distressing events that led to the death of Mr Floyd. The footage begins at the moment the two police officers pulled Mr Floyd over in his home town of Minneapolis, and ends shortly before he died under Derek Chauvin's knee. The video clearly shows how frightened and agitated Mr Floyd was from the moment he was stopped by the officers, begging them not to shoot him and apologising as they approach his parked car.
One of the officers points a gun at Mr Floyd almost immediately as the other tells him to put his hands on the steering wheel. Mr Floyd becomes increasingly agitated as the police officers bundle him out of his car and into the police car, repeatedly pleading that he was claustrophobic. The footage ends as Mr Floyd lies on the floor pleading, "I can't breathe" - his final words that would resonate around the world - while police officer Derek Chauvin kneels on his neck.
Minutes later Mr Floyd was dead. The two films – including 18 minutes from Officer Alex Kueng’s bodycam and 10 minutes from Officer Thomas Lane’s, were until now only be seen in court. The Floyd’s family's lawyer Ben Crump said in a statement on Monday that the leaked video shows Floyd did not pose a threat.
“The police officers approached him with guns drawn, simply because he was a black man. As this video shows, he never posed any threat. The officers’ contradictions continue to build. If not for the videos, the world might never have known about the wrongs committed against George Floyd.”
Mr Crump told ITV News: "It was obvious he was being polite. He was literally begging them not shoot him.
"This speaks to the fears of every black person in America."Chauvin was charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter in May. He is currently being held at the Minnesota state prison after bail was set at over a $1 million.
The other three officers at the scene, Thomas Lane, J Alexander Kueng and Tou Thao, were charged with aiding and abetting murder. They were freed on bail and await trial. A hearing is expected in September with a trial date set for March 2021. Mr Floyd's death sparked global anti-racism protests led by the Black Lives Matter movement, and stirred debate in the US and UK over the country's history of slavery and segregation.
On that noteKamakazie Sith wrote: ↑2020-08-10 07:17am Unfortunately, the idea that someone can breath just because they are talking to you is still widespread in law enforcement.
An Arkansas police officer during a February arrest told a man who later died in police custody, "If you can talk, you can breathe," according to newly released footage.
The police department in Conway, Ark., released edited footage of the arrest Wednesday, according to a local CBS affiliate. During the incident, police placed Lionel Morris, 39, and a second man under arrest after a call reporting they had removed a drone from its packaging in a Harp’s store.
Morris fled from officers, who tackled him in a different part of the store, tasing him several times while trying to subdue him. Conway Police Chief William Tapley has claimed Morris reached for a knife clipped to his pocket, but at that point, the footage cuts to a security camera in a corner of the store.
As an officer places his knee against Morris’s back, Morris can be heard saying he is unable to breathe, while the officer responds, “If you can talk, you can breathe.” Prosecuting attorney Carol Crews has said Morris was placed in a “recovery position” and rolled onto his side, but that is not visible in the video.
The police report states Morris was moved to a recovery position after beginning to vomit and that he was “pulseless and unresponsive” by the time medical personnel arrived. He was taken to a local hospital and pronounced dead.
Crews has said no charges should be filed against the officers. She attributed his death to "methamphetamine intoxication with exertion, struggle, restraint and conducted electrical weapon deployment."
Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer charged in the death of George Floyd, made similar remarks while kneeling on Floyd’s neck, according to transcripts obtained by The Washington Post. At one point in the transcript, Chauvin tells Floyd, “Takes a heck of a lot of oxygen to say that.”
Medical experts have disputed the idea that people who are genuinely unable to breathe cannot talk.
“To speak, you only have to move air through the upper airways and the vocal cords, a very small amount,” Gary Weissman, a lung specialist at the University of Pennsylvania, told The Washington Post earlier this month.
"This does not necessarily mean enough air is reaching the lungs," he added.
That brings back memories. I had a teacher in elementary school who used to do that to me a lot and that's exactly what she would say when I had trouble breathing.As an officer places his knee against Morris’s back, Morris can be heard saying he is unable to breathe, while the officer responds, “If you can talk, you can breathe.”
To be honest most US police forces need a lot more training in general. The national average academy training time in the US is 13-19 weeks with DC being the longest at 30. And it really really shows.Kamakazie Sith wrote: ↑2020-08-10 07:17am Unfortunately, the idea that someone can breath just because they are talking to you is still widespread in law enforcement. I thought after Eric Gardner this would have been corrected but after speaking at length with individuals from multiple agencies I was mistaken.
There needs to be a strong training push to remove this inaccurate belief combined with nationwide legislation that criminalizes the act of ignoring pleas regarding breath.
Yeah, I've heard the same from various people throughout my life.Ralin wrote: ↑2020-08-10 07:34amOn that noteKamakazie Sith wrote: ↑2020-08-10 07:17am Unfortunately, the idea that someone can breath just because they are talking to you is still widespread in law enforcement.
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That brings back memories. I had a teacher in elementary school who used to do that to me a lot and that's exactly what she would say when I had trouble breathing.
I agree. Though in the context of the post you quoted I was just referring to training related to talking and breathing and not training in general but yes I agree training in general should be increased significantly.
Yes, I've seen the same thing. It's still amazes me when I see a video of an officer that is unaware that people can film an encounter. It also seems that a lot of cops take enforcing the law personally which I do not understand.I've somewhat recently been down a rabbit hole of filmed police interactions and court testimony and it's apparent that as soon as an interaction with a member of the public goes off-script many officers simply can't deal with it and become frustrated, which leads to them jumping to asserting authority and demanding immediate compliance because that's the thing they have to exorcise that frustration. (It's especially evident when they demand information that a member of the public is not required by law to provide, or compliance with an order they are not authorised to give, often a demand to stop filming, they often cannot deal with that refusal and get stuck on the one point to the point of making unlawful detentions because they're frustrated and have to assert their authority in the situation).
A lot of this is due to low in-service training standards. Currently, most agencies only require 40 hours a year to maintain certification and very few go beyond that so that really compresses what can be fit into a training schedule.That's on top of them often just being wrong about the laws they're enforcing, what members of the public must provide or what they are allowed to be doing, and carrying the assumption of guilt into any interaction which comes as a result of someone calling in a report (the person making the report is always given greater weight than the person they are reporting, despite there being no evidence available to the officers that one should be trusted over the other).
What do you think the "solution" to dealing with violent crime is?
All of those things plus some of the functions that police and the penal system serve now. Rehabilitation is good and all, but as much as some people might fetishize HARSH PUNISHMENTS DON'T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME to crazy degrees fear of retaliation and probably getting caught is an important part of what stops people from murdering or otherwise inflicting violent harm on other people.
Hi there. As infuriating as I may find certain people, fear of getting caught isn't even the main reason that I haven't ever killed anyone. The main reason, for I suspect most other people as well, is that it would be wrong irrespective of the actual law.
Hi there. Northern Ireland have learnt eye for eye vendettas bad. If you kill someone their family come for youanx then yours for there's. It's no way to run a societyLuke Starkiller wrote: ↑2020-08-13 07:26amHi there. As infuriating as I may find certain people, fear of getting caught isn't even the main reason that I haven't ever killed anyone. The main reason, for I suspect most other people as well, is that it would be wrong irrespective of the actual law.
My point is that this generation of islanders are nearly uniformly not the type to kill people wether or not the police is around. For them peace is something to actively work on.
You uh, just said that they got that way because of collectively realizing it would probably lead to retaliation. That's the same principle on a less formal basis.
The formal bit is the bit under discussion no? Police represent formal application of violent retaliation to violent crime. You said, paraphrasing, 'no police, nothing to stop violent crime'. My point is that even without effective police, the violent crime was stopped through first informal violent retaliation and after that was found ineffective, informal community pressure.
Well yes, you could substitute the understanding that the friends and family of victims of violent crime will hat up and seek vengeance on their own initiative. That's also an option.madd0ct0r wrote: ↑2020-08-16 08:21am The formal bit is the bit under discussion no? Police represent formal application of violent retaliation to violent crime. You said, paraphrasing, 'no police, nothing to stop violent crime'. My point is that even without effective police, the violent crime was stopped through first informal violent retaliation and after that was found ineffective, informal community pressure.
BREAKING: Sen. Lucas charged with two felonies for June incident at the Portsmouth Confederate monument
PORTSMOUTH, Va. (WAVY) — Portsmouth Police Chief Angela Greene announced during a Monday afternoon press conference that State Sen. Louise Lucas has been charged with two felonies for an incident at the city’s Confederate monument on June 10.
She, among others, is facing charges of conspiracy to commit a felony and injury to a monument in excess of $1,000.
Portsmouth officials held the briefing Monday afternoon to announce that several warrants that have been secured against individuals more than two months after an incident at the city’s Confederate monument.
Greene issued a statement, but did not take any questions, as the investigation is ongoing, city officials said.
On June 10, the Confederate monument was vandalized and broken apart by protesters, which culminated with a protester being seriously injured when part of the statue fell on him.
Since then, a team of investigators compiled evidence, including video, from that day.
As a result of the investigation, detectives determined that several individuals performed felonious acts and have taken out warrants against them, including Lucas, as well as Portsmouth School Board member LaKeesha S. “Klu” Atkinson, members of the NAACP and members of the public defender’s office.
Here’s the full list of those facing charges of conspiracy to commit a felony and injury to a monument in excess of $1,000:
State Sen. L Louise Lucas
James Boyd, Portsmouth NAACP representative
Louie Gibbs, Portsmouth NAACP representative
LaKesha Hicks, Portsmouth NAACP representative
LaKeesha S. “Klu” Atkinson, Portsmouth School Board member
Kimberly Wimbish
Dana Worthington
Amira Bethea
Here’s the list of individuals facing a felony charge of injury to a monument in excess of $1,000:
Brenda Spry, public defender
Alexandra Stephens, public defender
Meredith Cramer, public defender
Brandon Woodard
Hanah Renae Rivera
Raymond J Brothers
Greene asked that anyone with an active warrant turn themselves in.
The police department is asking for help identifying 13 additional people. Detectives are asking that the public take a look at these photos and reach out if you recognize them. Call the Portsmouth Crime Line at 1-888-lock-u-up. You can remain anonymous.
