Kerry Cites Voter Intimidation Examples

[SirNitram]

FCC can't regulate cable. CNN and FOX therefore don't come under it's jurisdiction. Reason why HBO can do much racier shows than ABC.

Just to point out, the current FCC chair is seeking the right to regulate cable and satellite. No idea if it'll work, and I'm betting not, but it sounds relevent.

[Civil War Man]

But how then would you prevent the government from strongarming a media outlet into pulling an article criticizing or exposing the government?

The beauty of the solution is that it wouldn't create any problems we don't already have. The FCC already unilaterally decides what Americans can and can't see over public airwaves.

FCC can't regulate cable. CNN and FOX therefore don't come under it's jurisdiction. Reason why HBO can do much racier shows than ABC.

Though the FCC starts salivating at the prospect of eventually being able to sink its teeth into cable.

[Axis Kast]

The press is well known for its bias.

In 1996, the Roper Center and Freedom Forum, a conservative group, collected data that indicated that 61% of media bureau chiefs and correspondants polled acknowledged being "liberal" or "liberal to moderate," whereas only 9% admitted "conservative" viewpoints, or "conservative to moderate" viewpoints. Additionally, 50% identified themselves as Democrats, and only 4% as Republicans. That's straight out of my government textbook, "American Government: Power and Purpose," by Theodore Lowi, Ben Ginsberg, and Ken Shepsle.

Furthermore, Rather and Cronkite were clear Democrats, who, despite their claim to fairness, took an active role in opining on the news on more than one occassion. Obviously, this is unavoidable. But there's bias in that kind of thing, too.

[SirNitram]

And more of Axis not reading English...

[Keevan_Colton]

And more of Axis not reading English...

Are any of us suprised?

Here's a little reading for you Axi, maybe your stressed out tiger can translate it into whatever it is that you actually speak...

[Tommy J]

And more of Axis not reading English...

Are any of us suprised?

Here's a little reading for you Axi, maybe your stressed out tiger can translate it into whatever it is that you actually speak...

That study was conducted in 1998, pre George W Bush and pre the big expansion of Fox. It would be interesting to see if:

1. In reaction to Fox if CNN swung to the left to capture viewers

2. If the major media/reports who were displeased with Fox's tactics moved left.

3. If in general the Bush administrations polarization techniques has caused the standard media to swing one way or another.

I find this argument amusing regardless. This isn't a new phenomenon. William Randolph Hearst hated Franklin Roosevelt and told in explicit terms his newspapers to publish negativity about him.

It's same old, same old to me. Back to the thread. Do the parties play dirty tricks with regard to stopping people from voting; I'm sure. Is this a wide spread practice; I doubt it. Will using ID cards/Drivers Licenses fix or mitgate the problem; no, because anyone fooled into not voting is stupid regardless.

[Beowulf]

FCC can't regulate cable. CNN and FOX therefore don't come under it's jurisdiction. Reason why HBO can do much racier shows than ABC.

Just to point out, the current FCC chair is seeking the right to regulate cable and satellite. No idea if it'll work, and I'm betting not, but it sounds relevent.

Well... if it does, all those TV shows that everyone loves to watch, like the Sopranos, will be replaced with dreck like Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire?

[Darth Wong]

The press is well known for its bias.

In 1996, the Roper Center and Freedom Forum, a conservative group, collected data that indicated that 61% of media bureau chiefs and correspondants polled acknowledged being "liberal" or "liberal to moderate," whereas only 9% admitted "conservative" viewpoints, or "conservative to moderate" viewpoints. Additionally, 50% identified themselves as Democrats, and only 4% as Republicans. That's straight out of my government textbook, "American Government: Power and Purpose," by Theodore Lowi, Ben Ginsberg, and Ken Shepsle.

Furthermore, Rather and Cronkite were clear Democrats, who, despite their claim to fairness, took an active role in opining on the news on more than one occassion. Obviously, this is unavoidable. But there's bias in that kind of thing, too.

Any time you want to answer my challenge about defining a test for your mythical "demonstrably" liberal bias, go right ahead. Until then, it appears that you will continue spewing bullshit that has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH MY CHALLENGE.

[SPOOFE]

I hear Gore won Florida, too.

[dnquxiti]

I hear Gore won Florida, too.

That is a good point, however, given that 9/11 happened at nearly the same time the final count was completed, and that Bush still would have won under a recount AS REQUESTED BY GORE, I think that story not going anywhere is a bit more understandable. I think the irony of the whole thing is that, if Gore had, after the Supreme Court overturned the Florida Supreme court, requested a full state wide recount, not only would he have won, but I think, likely Scalia, would have been like, "I can't see any rational way to stop this, since it is basically what we complained about Florida not doing in the first place".

[Stark]

I get cable here in AU, and I figure its the same news shows as you guys get. So, as an outsider, I can honestly say that I have never, ever seen anything on a US news channel that was openly critical of the administration. FOX is obseqiuous, but other channels are at BEST guardedly supportive. Any potential critisism is couched in ambigusous language. Any story that hits that reflects negatively is instantly retconned as soon as the government spins it up. There are NO liberal-mad-conspiracy channels on the cable we get: but we've got FOX, regarded in Australia as a comedy channel. So what channel don't we get?

[The Dark]

Here's a little reading for you Axi, maybe your stressed out tiger can translate it into whatever it is that you actually speak...

Thanks for requoting what I used as evidence in the first place . I also love how he keeps using conservative polling groups' findings as evidence of liberal bias. No fucking shit, the conservative groups consistently find a liberal bias. They have no leg to stand on otherwise.

Axis: While many newspeople identify themselves as liberal or Democrat when asked for their opinion about themselves or their part affiliation, the FAIR survey asked about the ISSUES. On the ISSUES, the media proved to be MORE CONSERVATIVE than the GENERAL PUBLIC.

Tommy: It would be interesting to see if the news media has shifted. I can only speak anecdotally, but my parents complain about the news becoming more conservative since Bush took over. And while I'm a liberal, my mother's a centrist independent, and my father's a traditional Republican (who seems to dislike the current batch of neo-cons, but still supports the Old Guard of the party). And yes, political discussions at home are interesting .

[Keevan_Colton]

Thanks for requoting what I used as evidence in the first place .

I couldnt find the study that was used in my lectures here, so I figured he hadnt noticed it the first time around .

[Durandal]

But how then would you prevent the government from strongarming a media outlet into pulling an article criticizing or exposing the government?

The beauty of the solution is that it wouldn't create any problems we don't already have. The FCC already unilaterally decides what Americans can and can't see over public airwaves.

FCC can't regulate cable. CNN and FOX therefore don't come under it's jurisdiction. Reason why HBO can do much racier shows than ABC.

I wasn't aware that cable TV fell under the category of "public airwaves."