What if the Federation hadn't been such a bunch of wimps?

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » 2002-07-06 05:28pm

WHAT was THAT from, dare I ask??

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-07-06 05:51pm

...then we couldn't make fun of them.

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-07-06 09:36pm

I would do research into phase cloaks for torpedos. They would launch from a federation star ship, phase cloak, and decloak once it was inside the target vessel, and explode.

T-1000 · Post by **T-1000** » 2002-07-07 01:17am

Anonymous wrote: Yup, It's much better than running around behind his back. But he did chew you out pretty good about it.

*shrug* Well, you can't win them all.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-07-07 03:47am

If the UFP was as militaristic as - let's say the Klingon Empire - I think they won't have a big chance of winning, but they would still be much stronger than they currently are.

It would for example mean that their troops would be equipped with flak armour, heavy weaponry such as mortars, and their battleships would be more compact - ie. no "living room" quarters, holodecks or room for the crew's families*!!

If the UFP went the full way and also became philosophically and ethically more... erm... klingon-ish, they would also get rid of the Prime Directive!! (a rule which the Klingon Empire NEVER would subscribe to... at least if they live up to their outrageous boastfulness about their courage and chivalry!**)

*Unless some of the crewmembers are married to each other, but they
form an extreme exception!
**However, the Klingon Empire has often done something which was anything but chivalrous. In Errand of Mercy, they took an entire town hostage. In ST6, they even developed a warship capable of firing while cloaked if I recall correctly, and the officer commanding over this warship was not hesitant to use it!![/i]

Admiral Griffith · Post by **Admiral Griffith** » 2002-07-09 02:56pm

I'd imagine they'd have a fleet of reasonable warships, not those screwed up little exploratory vessels(!)

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2002-07-11 04:43pm

The one thing the Feds could do, would be to geneticly "upgrade" ALL Fed citizens to super man status, and let capitalism rear its "ugly" head. (If you only upgrade a few, or most, you will get the Eugenics war galaxy wide, or Gattica)The resulting synergy and coresponding rise in technology AND productivity would be awesome. Genetic mods must breed true, and be dominant as well. That way, even if they lose, they win. At this point are they still Humans, or something else? Can humans be modified to be more powerful conduit of the Force? If Dr. Bashir was more powerful with the force than the Emperor, would Vader even have a chance?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-11 04:44pm

Emperor Chrostas the Crue wrote:The one thing the Feds could do, would be to geneticly "upgrade" ALL Fed citizens to super man status, and let capitalism rear its "ugly" head. (If you only upgrade a few, or most, you will get the Eugenics war galaxy wide, or Gattica)The resulting synergy and coresponding rise in technology AND productivity would be awesome. Genetic mods must breed true, and be dominant as well. That way, even if they lose, they win. At this point are they still Humans, or something else? Can humans be modified to be more powerful conduit of the Force? If Dr. Bashir was more powerful with the force than the Emperor, would Vader even have a chance?

How will they get the force? They're all force blind.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2002-07-11 04:50pm

Can Betaziod style telpathy be included in the upgrade package? We know that breeds true. Can the Force be as well? Talk about synergy! It would be very hard to beat someone faster, stronger, smarter, just as ruthless, with the Force AND mind reading in his arsenal. Asum

ing his industrial base is up to the task.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2002-07-11 04:56pm

Are they truly Force blind, or do they see it other terms?.. A rose by any other name, ect. Besides, if the Empire is even halfway inclusive and capitalistic as thought, the "genees" would eventualy be in charge of all but the very top. Losing to the Empire might be a good thing. Sooner or later, a genee, would get the Force, then the Empire would be even stronger. Or maybe the Force would tell the Emperor of the value of the upgrades, and the Emperor himself would be the first to get the "full " upgrade package. Practical immortality can be added to the "bundle". Once proven safe, what kind Of Emperor would turn down such mods? The LAST one!

IE previous, not no more to follow.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2002-07-11 05:06pm

If the Empire is truly full of human norms like us, there has to be individuals in Fed space that use the Force, they just might not know what it is.

Or care to stand out.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-07-12 01:44am

What if they call it something different?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-07-12 01:55am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Go away troll. Wait, Endgame isn't in ST:X Nemesis, it wouldn't help anyways because all it is is torpedoes that rely on borg technobabble shields and some dumb armour. The doomsday machine is dead! Kirk killed it about 100 years before Voyager tech and when the debate takes place. It doesn't matter if all SW movies suck or win every award their is in a debate

I always wanted to use this.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2002-07-12 01:23pm

Federation starships would be equiped with independant transport inhibitors in all key areas of the ship, like the bridge and engineering. So, if the shields fail, an enemy boarding party can't beam to these locations. Or, key personel can't be kidnapped.

Chairs would have seatbelts to prevent falling out (especially shuttlecraft).

Starship personnel would wear protective gear to prevent injury/death when their panel explodes. This gear would also have an emergency life support system.

Starfleet captains would follow rule stated in StarTrek II, that all ships must raise shields if communication has not been established.

Captain Picard would have destroyed the borg (or at least tried) by using Hugh. That way, he wouldn't be responsable for every single death caused by the borg from that point onward.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-12 07:45pm

Zoink wrote: Captain Picard would have destroyed the borg (or at least tried) by using Hugh. That way, he wouldn't be responsable for every single death caused by the borg from that point onward.

I personally loved the grilling Admiral Naechaev(sp?) gave Picard in a later episode.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-12 09:47pm

Zoink wrote:Starship personnel would wear protective gear to prevent injury/death when their panel explodes. This gear would also have an emergency life support system.

Wouldn't it be easier just to make the console umm... I don't know... not explode?

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2002-07-13 12:48am

Darth Yoshi wrote:
Zoink wrote:Starship personnel would wear protective gear to prevent injury/death when their panel explodes. This gear would also have an emergency life support system.
Wouldn't it be easier just to make the console umm... I don't know... not explode?

shh..... we don't need to give idiot trekkies adivce....

User099 · Post by **User099** » 2002-07-13 12:50am

HOW ABOUT A MORE FAIR FIGHT?!?!
For 1 thing an Imperial vs Federation fight to bein with is unfair. to eve GETthe whole conflict you'dhave to change "history" and erase the rebellion, etc.
what about this = The federaton by sme ungodly manner was as big as the Empire, ie spanned the entire galaxy.
because quite franly asking ST-to-the-dot Federation vs SW-slightly-changed Empire is like pitting Mike Tyson with laser beam eyes vs a 3 year old in a baby crib. How about making it even -- duplicate fed tactics, ships, etc, so that they span a galaxy instead of onesmall cornerof the milky way. THE what wuldyouget?

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2002-07-13 01:04am

Darth Yoshi wrote: Wouldn't it be easier just to make the console umm... I don't know... not explode?

I was assuming that Star Fleet ship designers were not COMPLETE idoits. So I assumed that non-exploding panels were not an option

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2002-07-13 01:04am

User099 wrote:HOW ABOUT A MORE FAIR FIGHT?!?!
For 1 thing an Imperial vs Federation fight to bein with is unfair. to eve GETthe whole conflict you'dhave to change "history" and erase the rebellion, etc.
what about this = The federaton by sme ungodly manner was as big as the Empire, ie spanned the entire galaxy.
because quite franly asking ST-to-the-dot Federation vs SW-slightly-changed Empire is like pitting Mike Tyson with laser beam eyes vs a 3 year old in a baby crib. How about making it even -- duplicate fed tactics, ships, etc, so that they span a galaxy instead of onesmall cornerof the milky way. THE what wuldyouget?

If this was a more fair fight, then you wouldn't have the GE versus the Feds, now would you?

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