What if...

[master_yoda]

During the time when the Empire only had 200 Isds,what if they created a wormhole to & from the Star trek galaxy?Could they have created their forces there?

[Mr Bean]

I think you need to try that agian

Your grammer is terrible
Its worse than mine!
And thats saying somthing

[master_yoda]

I think you need to try that agian

Your grammer is terrible
Its worse than mine!
And thats saying somthing

I think you need friends.

[Kon_El]

I think what you were trying to say is what could 200 ISD's do to the federation. destroy it or take it over more than likely.

[Cpt_Frank]

I think he's going for 200 ISD take over alpha quad and then start building huge fleet there to kick New Republican ass.

[master_yoda]

I think he's going for 200 ISD take over alpha quad and then start building huge fleet there to kick New Republican ass.

yes,well sorta

[Cpt_Frank]

Yeah, why not?
If I was an Imperial commander and my precious Empire was in such deep shit as it is, I actually would only conquer the Alpha quad with the sole purpose of building a huge fleet there, and then coming back, elemintaing the Rebel scum completely and then declaring myself Emperor.
After the home galaxy is secured again, we can still go on conquering the Rest of the Milky Way.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

Invading a chunk of the Star Trek galaxy is the easy part after the wormhole is made. The problem is that they have too little infrastructure left by then. Their current infrastructure is not keeping up with the demands of capital ships nor their fighters.

Let's say they get the Federation. An opponent like the Federation, potentially a single Star Destroyer can take, but let's use a Sector Group, just in case threats of destroying them all don't get 'em to surrender.

The ST infrastructure is enormously different. Sure, both use slipways, but the end of the similarities is mighty close to that. That means major rebuilding almost as costly as building new shipyards and training a whole new team of shipbuilders.

Where would they find some spare resources and technical personnel, without crippling what's left of their shipbuilding and repair capacity for good?

[Cpt_Frank]

Hmm, why not simply BDZ every planet in the Alpha quad,
then strip mine them using automated facilities and supply KDY with the raw materials?
They keep a part of the raw materials as payment, and from the rest they build ships for you.
They won't say no, from all we know about them they're a profit oriented enterprise.
No need to set up actual refineries or shipyards in the Alpha Quadrant.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

I can't see Pellaeon calling for BDZs. Conquering them, yes, but since Pellaeon was the CinC of what's left of Imperial Military Forces, I doubt that any plan with BDZs as its first resort will be taken.

Besides, the problem is not in taking it over. The problem is with the Imperial Remnant stretched to its breaking point, finding spare resources (men or capital) to exploit the things will be tough.

It is like if you got HK$5, which in Hong Kong buys me a cheap slice of bread or so. I want desperately to increase the amount of money, but I need that $5 just to stay alive and fight off starvation, so I can't re-invest any of it...

[master_yoda]

Invading a chunk of the Star Trek galaxy is the easy part after the wormhole is made. The problem is that they have too little infrastructure left by then. Their current infrastructure is not keeping up with the demands of capital ships nor their fighters.

Let's say they get the Federation. An opponent like the Federation, potentially a single Star Destroyer can take, but let's use a Sector Group, just in case threats of destroying them all don't get 'em to surrender.

The ST infrastructure is enormously different. Sure, both use slipways, but the end of the similarities is mighty close to that. That means major rebuilding almost as costly as building new shipyards and training a whole new team of shipbuilders.

Where would they find some spare resources and technical personnel, without crippling what's left of their shipbuilding and repair capacity for good?

They would get their the rescources from the planets that the shipbuilders are on.I can imagine they get the metal from the molten core.
What do you guys think?

[IDMR]

Yeah, why not?
If I was an Imperial commander and my precious Empire was in such deep shit as it is, I actually would only conquer the Alpha quad with the sole purpose of building a huge fleet there, and then coming back, elemintaing the Rebel scum completely and then declaring myself Emperor.
After the home galaxy is secured again, we can still go on conquering the Rest of the Milky Way.

Hmm. Someone's been reading Imperial Phoenix.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Building huge fleet can be much more difficult than conquering the Alpha Quadrant itself. The Empire had to build from scratch, for sure. I mean, what can you expect from Alpha Quadrant's existing industrial capacity anyway?

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... stry1.html

[Cpt_Frank]

Hmm. Someone's been reading Imperial Phoenix.

Hell yeah, apart from Conquest it's the best piece of crossover fic out there!

[IDMR]

Well, Ryan (MKS) is on the forum, so go badger him to write quicker!

[His Divine Shadow]

Hmm. Someone's been reading Imperial Phoenix.

Hell yeah, apart from Conquest it's the best piece of crossover fic out there!

Heretic!
*blinds the evildoer witht the light of the Against All Odds Saga*

[IDMR]

::Throws down DIG, then runs::

[His Divine Shadow]

A wormhole would do the IR a world of good, they could without subjugating anyone build up a formidable industrial base and shipyards in the Milky Way since it's mostly uncolonised space and no powers nearby powerfull enough to take them on.

They could even get ahold of AQ tech relatively easy too.

Anyhow they could build a resource base in the AQ that noone in the SW galaxy could attack, they could build in peace over there and strengthen their fleets, I'm in awe when I think of the massive undistrubed industrial complexes they could build over there and use them to fuel their war efforts.

Massive shipyards rivaling that of Kuat and Fondor or even bigger, churning out dozens of ISD's per month, and dommie cloning tech coupled with SW mind patterning tech to duplicated the best of the best, they could even create totally droid controlled ships too.
I'm also open to the possibility of more heavy droid automation on ISD's to cut crew requirements,

Soon they could begin massproducing combat droids and perhaps even be able to construct world Devastators again, then they could really get fleet production up and running with hordes of droid fighters taking over the menial jobs of old TIE pilots, and getting the now veteran organic fighters pilots the best of the best fighters.

[His Divine Shadow]

::Throws down DIG, then runs::

I dunno what that is but tremble before Paradise Lost!

[IDMR]

::Throws down DIG, then runs::

I dunno what that is but tremble before Paradise Lost!

De Imperitoribus Galacticis by Marina O'Leary. In the name of the Emperor, I command you to go read it at once!

[SCVN 2812]

Ships in the SW universe are, on the most part, bought from large corporations with their own shipyards. Governments issue orders for so many of this type of ship or another and the corporation does it's best to fill the order. Given this set up, I find it hard to believe that 200 Star Destroyers would have the right people with the right knowledge to even build a ship, they've got engineers and droids, but keeping a ship maintained and actually building one are two very different things. These Stardestroyers would have to be crammed with the best engineering minds and also large scale industrial equipment in order to even begin to be able to put together the infrastructure to build the infrastructure to build the infrastructure (this could go on for quite a while) to build the ships. You don't just invade and start building your navy overnight. To even prepare to build a ship on the scale and technological advancement of the Stardestroyer requires a lot of infrastructure. You'd have to find, mine and refine the materials needed to construct the various parts of the destroyer. It would be like going to tribal areas of Africa where there is practically no industry and trying to set up a modern space program with just what you took with you to Africa.

[master_yoda]

A wormhole would do the IR a world of good, they could without subjugating anyone build up a formidable industrial base and shipyards in the Milky Way since it's mostly uncolonised space and no powers nearby powerfull enough to take them on.

They could even get ahold of AQ tech relatively easy too.

Anyhow they could build a resource base in the AQ that noone in the SW galaxy could attack, they could build in peace over there and strengthen their fleets, I'm in awe when I think of the massive undistrubed industrial complexes they could build over there and use them to fuel their war efforts.

Massive shipyards rivaling that of Kuat and Fondor or even bigger, churning out dozens of ISD's per month, and dommie cloning tech coupled with SW mind patterning tech to duplicated the best of the best, they could even create totally droid controlled ships too.
I'm also open to the possibility of more heavy droid automation on ISD's to cut crew requirements,

Soon they could begin massproducing combat droids and perhaps even be able to construct world Devastators again, then they could really get fleet production up and running with hordes of droid fighters taking over the menial jobs of old TIE pilots, and getting the now veteran organic fighters pilots the best of the best fighters.

Yeah,perhaps if the GE makes a comeback,they would've been preparing for an invasion in another galaxy

[master_yoda]

Ships in the SW universe are, on the most part, bought from large corporations with their own shipyards. Governments issue orders for so many of this type of ship or another and the corporation does it's best to fill the order. Given this set up, I find it hard to believe that 200 Star Destroyers would have the right people with the right knowledge to even build a ship, they've got engineers and droids, but keeping a ship maintained and actually building one are two very different things. These Stardestroyers would have to be crammed with the best engineering minds and also large scale industrial equipment in order to even begin to be able to put together the infrastructure to build the infrastructure to build the infrastructure (this could go on for quite a while) to build the ships. You don't just invade and start building your navy overnight. To even prepare to build a ship on the scale and technological advancement of the Stardestroyer requires a lot of infrastructure. You'd have to find, mine and refine the materials needed to construct the various parts of the destroyer. It would be like going to tribal areas of Africa where there is practically no industry and trying to set up a modern space program with just what you took with you to Africa.

yes I should've included that they bring as many transports fulled with as many engineers as they can carry.

[BenRG]

A minor suggestion: Why conquer? The Star Trek vision of the Milky Way is filled with greedy and/or stupid merchant races who would jump at the chance to get their hands on technology which, to them, was close to magic. You get the Ferengi to mass-produce ISD2s, Strikes, Interdictors, TIE Defenders, and so-on. You don't even need the blueprints, just damaged-beyond-repair versions of to reverse-engineer as examples.

You simultaneously clone up crews to get the ships on the front-lines as soon as possible. Once you have crushed the New Republic, you then turn on your Milky Way 'allies' who are just finding out about all the viruses that your slicers had put in their computer systems making it impossible for them to use the technology that they produced for you for their own benefit.

The only strategic drawback is that it leaves large amounts of SW tech in the ST galaxy for spies to steal and brilliant (and unauthorised) engineers and researchers to reverse-engineer, no matter how good your data security is.

[David]

Just give 'em enough rope...