All Vulcan crews?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Thanks to HBMC who created a similiar thread at SB.

DS9: "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" has all Vulcan ships and crews. Interesting racial seperation.



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SOLOK: A somewhat unprofessional attitude. However, I have come to expect a lack of professionalism and efficiency on starbases run by human officers.

SISKO: You're welcome to take your ship to a Vulcan station -- I think the nearest one's about fifty light years away.
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SISKO: As you probably know, the Starship T'Kumbra is currently docked at the station. What you may not know is that their commanding officer considers his crew -- an all-Vulcan crew, by the way -- to be the finest in the fleet. Now, I happen to think the people sitting around this table comprise the finest crew in the quadrant.
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Also, the U.S.S. Intrepid had an all Vulcan crew.

Thoughts?

[RayCav of ASVS]

Starfleet=condenscending racist bastards?

[FireNexus]

[q]Starfleet=condenscending racist bastards?[/q]

I think it a bit more likely that Vulcans=smug assholes with superiority complexes

[Evil Jerk]

[q]Starfleet=condenscending racist bastards?[/q]

I think it a bit more likely that Vulcans=smug assholes with superiority complexes

Only because the writers perpetuate these stereotypes.
All Vulcans are smug jerks, all Klingons are barbarians concerned with honour, etc.

[neoolong]

Yeah, but the real question should be, who would want to work with a bunch of smug condescending Vulcans? It may be that the Vulcans are segregated because nobody really wants to work with a bunch of them.

[Kuja]

Small wonder, if they're all as open and friendly as Spock, Tuvok, and T'Pol.

[Evil Jerk]

Small wonder, if they're all as open and friendly as Spock, Tuvok, and T'Pol.

Spock was fine, don't lump him together with those anal morons.

[Kuja]

I'm not dissing Spock, but come on, even Kirk was nervous around him until he warmed up. And remember when he showed up in TMP?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I'm not dissing Spock, but come on, even Kirk was nervous around him until he warmed up. And remember when he showed up in TMP?

No. I watched TMP a total of one times.

[Evil Jerk]

I'm not dissing Spock, but come on, even Kirk was nervous around him until he warmed up.

I never noticed Kirk having a problem, it was always McCoy who got mega bugged by Spock's cool headedness.

And remember when he showed up in TMP?

Well, I remember him being somewhat cold, but he had just been through that Kolinhar thingy and all.

[Kuja]

He shows up on the Ent and Chekov's all smiley and full of energy ready to greet him and Spock just walks on by. He does the same thing to everyone at the bridge. Jeez.

[Darth Yoshi]

Oh come on. Spock is cool.

[Kuja]

I know, I'm not dissing him. I'm just pointing out that he might not be the best candidate for "most popular crew member of the year" award.

[Evil Jerk]

I know, I'm not dissing him. I'm just pointing out that he might not be the best candidate for "most popular crew member of the year" award.

Sure he would. One incident in TMP which is perfectly explainable doesn't count.

[Stravo]

He shows up on the Ent and Chekov's all smiley and full of energy ready to greet him and Spock just walks on by. He does the same thing to everyone at the bridge. Jeez.

IG you missed the point of those scenes. Spock was furious at himself for failing to achieve Kolinahr, so how does he display this anger wihout being angry? He goes into Uber-Vulcan mode.

This is all repaired by the end of the movie, particulalry when we see him crying for V'Ger, his final rejection of the teachings of Kolinahr. Spock knows that the complete rejection of emotion is not the path he must take. In ST II he seems to have achieved a far better balance of emotion and logic, and by 6 he is completely comfortabel with himself.. Spock without a doubt one of the BEST character on ANY Trek.

[paladin]

He shows up on the Ent and Chekov's all smiley and full of energy ready to greet him and Spock just walks on by. He does the same thing to everyone at the bridge. Jeez.

IG you missed the point of those scenes. Spock was furious at himself for failing to achieve Kolinahr, so how does he display this anger wihout being angry? He goes into Uber-Vulcan mode.

This is all repaired by the end of the movie, particulalry when we see him crying for V'Ger, his final rejection of the teachings of Kolinahr. Spock knows that the complete rejection of emotion is not the path he must take. In ST II he seems to have achieved a far better balance of emotion and logic, and by 6 he is completely comfortabel with himself.. Spock without a doubt one of the BEST character on ANY Trek.

Would you say Spock was the most human of any Star Trek character?

[Patrick Degan]

The main reason why the Vulcans in today's Trek productions seem so "smug and condescending" is A: the present writers are morons who cast everyone in a group as behaving and thinking all in the same way, and also that they've gotten it into their thick heads that "logical" means "smug", and B: the actors they cast as Vulcans frankly can't act worth a damn. The whole bunch of them couldn't fill the shoes of worthies such as Leonard Nimoy, Mark Lenard, Celia Lovsky, Barry Atwater, Arlene Martel, Lawrence Montange, or even Kirstie Alley. To the present actors, they've gotten it into their heads that Vulcan=Robot and play it accordingly. The lazy way. They're more caricatures than characters.

Subtlety and nuance are totally unknown concepts in the BragaTrek™ formula.

[Kamakazie Sith]

The main reason why the Vulcans in today's Trek productions seem so "smug and condescending" is A: the present writers are morons who cast everyone in a group as behaving and thinking all in the same way, and also that they've gotten it into their thick heads that "logical" means "smug", and B: the actors they cast as Vulcans frankly can't act worth a damn. The whole bunch of them couldn't fill the shoes of worthies such as Leonard Nimoy, Mark Lenard, Celia Lovsky, Barry Atwater, Arlene Martel, Lawrence Montange, or even Kirstie Alley. To the present actors, they've gotten it into their heads that Vulcan=Robot and play it accordingly. The lazy way. They're more caricatures than characters.

Subtlety and nuance are totally unknown concepts in the BragaTrek™ formula.

Amen

[Kuja]

He shows up on the Ent and Chekov's all smiley and full of energy ready to greet him and Spock just walks on by. He does the same thing to everyone at the bridge. Jeez.

IG you missed the point of those scenes. Spock was furious at himself for failing to achieve Kolinahr, so how does he display this anger wihout being angry? He goes into Uber-Vulcan mode.

This is all repaired by the end of the movie, particulalry when we see him crying for V'Ger, his final rejection of the teachings of Kolinahr. Spock knows that the complete rejection of emotion is not the path he must take. In ST II he seems to have achieved a far better balance of emotion and logic, and by 6 he is completely comfortabel with himself.. Spock without a doubt one of the BEST character on ANY Trek.

And you're missing my point. If those few scenes represent Vulcans as a whole, then small wonder they get shoved onto seperate ships. I LOVED Spock in ST4 and ST6, but if those few scenes show how the Vulcan race normally behaves, I don't think I'd want to interact with them on a daily basis.

[Patrick Degan]

And you're missing my point. If those few scenes represent Vulcans as a whole, then small wonder they get shoved onto seperate ships. I LOVED Spock in ST4 and ST6, but if those few scenes show how the Vulcan race normally behaves, I don't think I'd want to interact with them on a daily basis.

You're essentially falling into the same trap as the BragaTrek™ writers —stereotyping. This is what causes a whole race of people —either fictional or real— to essentially be reduced to caricatures.

As for the Vulcans having their own ship in Starfleet in TOS... My understanding is that it essentially symbolised Vulcan's standing in the Federation that Earth (which at that time appeared to be the dominant power in the alliance) gave to her chief planetary partner one of her newest and most sophisticated deep-range explorer/warships.

[pecker]

Think about it this way:

There's enough trouble with cultural differences when they've got ONE Vulcan aboard a starship. Now let's say they get 1/2 humans, 1/2 Vulcans. The crew just isn't going to get along due to cultural differences. They won't grow as strong bonds. So when trouble comes, they can't be expected to trust/rely/work together as well. Also, it's in human nature to be xenophobic, a little bit. You wouldn't want your crew looking sideways at every alien crewmember just out of instinct.

Making homogenous crews is simply to make things run smoother.

[Evil Jerk]

Think about it this way:

There's enough trouble with cultural differences when they've got ONE Vulcan aboard a starship. Now let's say they get 1/2 humans, 1/2 Vulcans. The crew just isn't going to get along due to cultural differences. They won't grow as strong bonds. So when trouble comes, they can't be expected to trust/rely/work together as well.

The cultural differences with Spock and his human co-crew did not interfere that much, and you can't ignore the fact that Spock WAS close with his fellow crew, especially Kirk and McCoy, the one who had the most to say about their differences.

Also, it's in human nature to be xenophobic, a little bit. You wouldn't want your crew looking sideways at every alien crewmember just out of instinct.

Replace human with white, and alien with, say, black.
See how stupid that sounds.

[pecker]

Think about it this way:

There's enough trouble with cultural differences when they've got ONE Vulcan aboard a starship. Now let's say they get 1/2 humans, 1/2 Vulcans. The crew just isn't going to get along due to cultural differences. They won't grow as strong bonds. So when trouble comes, they can't be expected to trust/rely/work together as well.

The cultural differences with Spock and his human co-crew did not interfere that much, and you can't ignore the fact that Spock WAS close with his fellow crew, especially Kirk and McCoy, the one who had the most to say about their differences.

Also, it's in human nature to be xenophobic, a little bit. You wouldn't want your crew looking sideways at every alien crewmember just out of instinct.

Replace human with white, and alien with, say, black.
See how stupid that sounds.

Spock seems to be the exception to the rule. Imagine if your cabinmate had the habit of smearing his boogers all over his face (A silly example, but think about it. And alien might consider cutting your toenails gruesome).

[Evil Jerk]

Think about it this way:

There's enough trouble with cultural differences when they've got ONE Vulcan aboard a starship. Now let's say they get 1/2 humans, 1/2 Vulcans. The crew just isn't going to get along due to cultural differences. They won't grow as strong bonds. So when trouble comes, they can't be expected to trust/rely/work together as well.

The cultural differences with Spock and his human co-crew did not interfere that much, and you can't ignore the fact that Spock WAS close with his fellow crew, especially Kirk and McCoy, the one who had the most to say about their differences.

Also, it's in human nature to be xenophobic, a little bit. You wouldn't want your crew looking sideways at every alien crewmember just out of instinct.

Replace human with white, and alien with, say, black.
See how stupid that sounds.

Spock seems to be the exception to the rule. Imagine if your cabinmate had the habit of smearing his boogers all over his face (A silly example, but think about it. And alien might consider cutting your toenails gruesome).

Thinking up the most extreme example is largely pointless, since the aliens in the Federation don't demonstrate such wild differences in customs, and if they do, then I'd assume that's what the Academy partly there for, to accustom these crews to life together.

[pecker]

The cultural differences with Spock and his human co-crew did not interfere that much, and you can't ignore the fact that Spock WAS close with his fellow crew, especially Kirk and McCoy, the one who had the most to say about their differences.
Replace human with white, and alien with, say, black.
See how stupid that sounds.

Spock seems to be the exception to the rule. Imagine if your cabinmate had the habit of smearing his boogers all over his face (A silly example, but think about it. And alien might consider cutting your toenails gruesome).

Thinking up the most extreme example is largely pointless, since the aliens in the Federation don't demonstrate such wild differences in customs, and if they do, then I'd assume that's what the Academy partly there for, to accustom these crews to life together.

Well, we've only really seen two races customs in any detail, humanity and Vulcans. The others may have habits we don't know about. But that's speculation.

However, the REAL reason is quite simple: Make-up is expensive and time-consuming.