And if they're too light they curve upwards?Batman wrote: They're also almost invariably used in an earth-normal presumably sea level atmosphere, so unless the phaser beam was heavier than air it would simply float.
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Hey, at least crosswinds could finally explain why we see phasers fire off-axisJawawithagun wrote:And if they're too light they curve upwards?Batman wrote: They're also almost invariably used in an earth-normal presumably sea level atmosphere, so unless the phaser beam was heavier than air it would simply float.
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I still prefer to claim incompetent maintenance staff.Batman wrote:Hey, at least crosswinds could finally explain why we see phasers fire off-axis
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What I find most entertaining about these traktards is that they always assume the DS would use it's superlaser on the Borg Cube. Seriously, that's just dumb. It's like saying I'll use the Tsar Bomba to get rid of a small but slightly irritating ant.
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Well to be fair to them. The Empire does have a habit of using overkill just for the lulz.
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That's true, but this takes overkill to an impossibly new level. I would have thought that ion cannons would have been more effective against the Borg anyhow.
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Imperial sensor jamming would have a pretty devastating effect on the collective. If the DS was faced with a Borg cube, they would probably be scratching their heads for a while wondering what the derelict box was for...
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Dunno. They might not. Trek subspace sensors being based on a totally different principle to sensors in use in SW (or a principle that has fallen out of use) might mean that SW jammers do not work with them.
Think of it like this - everybody in SW uses RADAR and all the jammers are designed to jam RADAR signals. Along comes a Feddie ship, with SONAR sensors - which the RADAR jammers do bugger all about.
Which does not say that ST sensors are actually effective. It might very well be that the SW equivalent principle fell out of use because advances in shipbuilding made them useless or that SW engines put out the ST-sensor-jamming-exotic-particle-of-the-week as a matter of course and so that line was never pursued.
Or that SW ships damaged subspace so much thousands of years ago it is still unusable.
Think of it like this - everybody in SW uses RADAR and all the jammers are designed to jam RADAR signals. Along comes a Feddie ship, with SONAR sensors - which the RADAR jammers do bugger all about.
Which does not say that ST sensors are actually effective. It might very well be that the SW equivalent principle fell out of use because advances in shipbuilding made them useless or that SW engines put out the ST-sensor-jamming-exotic-particle-of-the-week as a matter of course and so that line was never pursued.
Or that SW ships damaged subspace so much thousands of years ago it is still unusable.
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Or that there is no subspace in Star Wars at all thus rendering the Fedies sensors usles...
But the fact that they don't seem to be able to sense through thick materials should be a problem either way. That and the fact that the Death Star would put out idiotic levels of emissions. I mean we have so many people, generators, weapons and all sort of stuff radiating outward from the largest battle station ever built. That alone might just overwhelm the Borg sensors.
But the fact that they don't seem to be able to sense through thick materials should be a problem either way. That and the fact that the Death Star would put out idiotic levels of emissions. I mean we have so many people, generators, weapons and all sort of stuff radiating outward from the largest battle station ever built. That alone might just overwhelm the Borg sensors.
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Wasn't there some stuff in one of the novels about them using subspace stuff in pre-Republic times?Purple wrote:Or that there is no subspace in Star Wars at all thus rendering the Fedies sensors usles...
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According to the EGWT and HTTE if nothing else, they still use subspace for short range FTL communications in the OT an on era, so whether or not they still use it for sensors, subspace (in some form or other) definitely exists in Wars.
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So if they use it for short-range comms, it stands to reason they'd have jammers to fuck up the other side's communications. So they'd be able to use com jammers to stuff the Borg.
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No need for 'stands to reason', comm jammers are explicitly mentioned in the EGWTEternal_Freedom wrote:So if they use it for short-range comms, it stands to reason they'd have jammers to fuck up the other side's communications. So they'd be able to use com jammers to stuff the Borg.
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Wonderful. So we have a cannon thing here saying that SW has subspace jammers. Sweet.
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Wow, thanks for sourcing that! I knew I'd heard about it somewhere.
Can you imagine what blanketing all subspace transmission frequencies (besides the Imperial channel) with static would do to the Collective?
The very idea of it stops Borgwankers in their tracks! Scares 'em silly!
Can you imagine what blanketing all subspace transmission frequencies (besides the Imperial channel) with static would do to the Collective?
The very idea of it stops Borgwankers in their tracks! Scares 'em silly!
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I believe their, and the Borg's response would be something like "Does Not Compute"
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Could be fun though. They come out near the denser populated areas of the SW galaxy and are hit with the sheer amount of subspace noise generated by billions upon billions of beings communicating.
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SD Captain: What is that box, Lieutenant?
Lieutenant: I've no idea, sir. It appears to be derelict.
SD Captain: (scratches head) Send a boarding party, I suppose. Tell them to be cautious anyway.
Stormtroopers board the cube, find Borg drones on the floor spasming and writhing in pain...
Lieutenant: I've no idea, sir. It appears to be derelict.
SD Captain: (scratches head) Send a boarding party, I suppose. Tell them to be cautious anyway.
Stormtroopers board the cube, find Borg drones on the floor spasming and writhing in pain...
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here's an interesting about SW jammers: they, when used in massive numbers like with the DS, actually disturb space around it. what would that do to a trek subspace scanner? they would almost totally blind if they get to close.
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Wait, don't they also need subspace for Warp drive? In that case won't the jamming also mess up that?
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Um-not necessarily?Purple wrote:Wait, don't they also need subspace for Warp drive? In that case won't the jamming also mess up that?
1. Radar jammers are a given in any modern day battlefield. Guess what-visible light still manages to function the way we're used to. Wars subspace comm jammers need not have any effect on any part of subspace other than the select portion used for short range FTL communications.
2. There was no mention I recall of the the DS's jamming until the Rebel snubfighters got rather close to the DS. At which point one suspects the Borg would have slowed to impulse anyway, what with a)that being their standard procedure far as we can tell and b) NOT doing so essentially means overshooting the target by a couple million kilometres.
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Heard a funny one today, Borg related of course, involving 7 of 9 "getting the drop" on an Imperial Boarding party after the ship surrenders and Assimilating them, then Assimilating the Entire ISD, sure enough he used Han and Luke's "Infiltration" of the DS1 as "Proof" that it would work.
When I went on for pretty much an entire page worth on reasons why that wouldn't work, he brought up "Amanda Rogers" as if that was somehow an instant win.
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The Borg have already assimilated the Q Continuum while I wasn't looking?Azron_Stoma wrote:When I went on for pretty much an entire page worth on reasons why that wouldn't work, he brought up "Amanda Rogers" as if that was somehow an instant win.
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Nah, more as a "Amanda Rogers would save the day" kind of thing, figuring that since "Amanda Rogers" is basically a translation of "Mary Sue" that it was somehow valid.
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Why Amanda? Involving any of the Trek quasiomnipotents is effectively an admission the Borg can't hack it anyway, I'm just wondering why they picked her.
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