Palpatine vs Galaxy class ships

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-06 10:00pm

Could Palpatine, with all his EU abilities, defeat 30 Federation Galaxy class starships? Palpatine is starting out in an unarmed, unshielded, shuttle with no superluminal engines. Could he deflect attacks on the shuttle and destroy the opposing starships?

Drunk Monkey · Post by **Drunk Monkey** » 2005-06-06 10:02pm

Palpitine would just move to earth and become a senator and do the same shit he did back home.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2005-06-06 10:11pm

Drunk Monkey wrote:Palpitine would just move to earth and become a senator and do the same shit he did back home.

"I love democracy. I love the Federation. The powers you grant me this day, I shall freely renounce once this crisis with the Romulans is passed."

Drunk Monkey · Post by **Drunk Monkey** » 2005-06-06 10:16pm

Patrick Degan wrote:
Drunk Monkey wrote:Palpitine would just move to earth and become a senator and do the same shit he did back home.
"I love democracy. I love the Federation. The powers you grant me this day, I shall freely renounce once this crisis with the Romulans is passed."

I wonder if he’ll clone Kirk instead of Jango. On the federation death star well have a Patrick Stewart hesitating to destroy Vulcan as part of T’Paou’s interrogation.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-06 10:22pm

I meant in combat. It is a given that he could topple the Federation political structure and social order easily.

Sharpshooter · Post by **Sharpshooter** » 2005-06-06 10:40pm

Unless Palpy can flash-fry the whole lot of 'em before a single photorp can be fired, I don't think he stands a chance. I'm no expert on the matter, but from what I've been reading, phasers and photon torpedoes are enough to take out fighters in a few hits, and I don't think a shuttle, without its shielding, is going to be able to survive the fifty-oor-so megaton detonation of a photorp at impact.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-06 10:43pm

Sharpshooter wrote:Unless Palpy can flash-fry the whole lot of 'em before a single photorp can be fired, I don't think he stands a chance. I'm no expert on the matter, but from what I've been reading, phasers and photon torpedoes are enough to take out fighters in a few hits, and I don't think a shuttle, without its shielding, is going to be able to survive the fifty-oor-so megaton detonation of a photorp at impact.

I havent read DE in a looong time, but is seem to recall one of his Force Storms immolating an entire Imperial fleet. Unless the Galaxys get the jump on him, they're toast.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2005-06-06 11:08pm

outside of a force storm, he dies.

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2005-06-06 11:20pm

The OP says 30 Galaxy-class starships, so I believe I have to give this one to the Feddies (absent a Force Storm, of course). It is an interesting question, however, as to whether Palpatine's TK is sufficiently powerful for him to deflect a photon torpedo. Phasers might be more of a threat.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-06-06 11:32pm

I don't think Palpatine's TK is up to deflecting incoming Photon torpedoes.

All they have to do is start air-bursting, and let the shockwaves crush him

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2005-06-06 11:42pm

Solauren wrote:I don't think Palpatine's TK is up to deflecting incoming Photon torpedoes.

All they have to do is start air-bursting, and let the shockwaves crush him

I should clarify, that by "deflect" I simply meant "provide a sufficient nudge so that the torpedo misses the shuttle," which would presumably require only a fraction of a percentage point adjustment to its trajectory. An "airburst" ("spaceburst"?) is a potential problem, although that presupposes the Federation captains are smart enough to rig them for proximity detonation.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-07 01:44am

I think that his TK might be able to deflect torpedoes (isnt there a story about Anakin doing that?)

Also his barely controlled Force storm Destroyed 2 SSD and the Eclipse, he was also threatening to use a Force storm do destroy The ENTIRE Rebel fleet.
If he gets his storm off before his shuttle gets blasted then they die.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2005-06-07 04:47am

It depends heavilyu upon what Palpatine's upper limit abilities are. The ones demostrated in ROTS, or the EU.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-07 04:58am

Could Palpatine, with all his EU abilities

That includes force storms

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2005-06-07 06:56am

the .303 bookworm wrote:
Could Palpatine, with all his EU abilities
That includes force storms

Since Palpatine's Force storms can tear apart fleets of Wars ships, I fail to see how this scenario is winnable under any circumstances for the GCSs.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2005-06-07 07:49am

What is the range of his force storm, and does it match the largest range of trek ships. Will the shuttle have any jamming ability, enough to make Trek ships come in close to hit.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-06-07 09:24am

Palpatine at the height of his wanked EU power is ridiculously powerful. He destroyed an Eclipse-class Star Destroyer with a Force Storm in the comics (this is a vessel which is far more massive than Executor and packs an axial superlaser as its primary weapon, just for shits and giggles).

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2005-06-07 09:30am

Didnt he, in Dark Empire, send out a force storm to grab Luke on Coruscant while he was on Byss? If so, it might be like light-years in range.

Either way, unless the ST ships can close to their piss-poor ranges and fire before he pops a force storm off, they're screwed. A fraction of the power it took to destroy that single Eclipse could rend the entire squadron of GCS in a second (IIRC, someone calced it once to a near-PT range energy release, half that is vastly more than would be required).

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2005-06-07 09:43am

EU dark empire Palpatine could stand

to

with the best of them

The only thing that i can remember off hand that beats this is the storm of the emperor's wrath, still kicking after thousands of years- (the scary thing is he wasnt at full power while palpatine had true,unlimited,omnipotent,totipotent,:kill: POWER

).

A fairer matchup would be Palpatine versus 6 Sovereigns on auto pilot, while their combined crew's swarm him. (still would be quite ineffective, see DH:Empire 4

)

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2005-06-07 11:16am

How about we evacuate one of half the ships crews onto the other half.

Then we ram the shuttle at warp, computer piloted of course? Will Palpatine be able to react in time.

And yes I know we can't work out kinetic energy from the ramming since we don't know the extent of warp "mass lightening" effect. However they are still armed with the exploding warp drive of doom. Or just let the photon torpedoes explode when the ship hits. In fact, to make sure, we can load the photon torpedoes from the crewed GCSs.

Trooper TK12746 · Post by **Trooper TK12746** » 2005-06-10 10:06pm

Warp speed is fast. But Palpy can see things before it happens. he could use TK to push the shuttle out of the way. Seeing as it is a general consensus that the Feddies would be wiped out, what would the Feddies need to take out Palpatine in his shuttle?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-06-10 10:53pm

Pure Sabacc wrote:
Sharpshooter wrote:Unless Palpy can flash-fry the whole lot of 'em before a single photorp can be fired, I don't think he stands a chance. I'm no expert on the matter, but from what I've been reading, phasers and photon torpedoes are enough to take out fighters in a few hits, and I don't think a shuttle, without its shielding, is going to be able to survive the fifty-oor-so megaton detonation of a photorp at impact.
I havent read DE in a looong time, but is seem to recall one of his Force Storms immolating an entire Imperial fleet.

It was a single ship: his own.

I don't know where this damn "entire fleet" bullshit comes from.

Phyre · Post by **Phyre** » 2005-06-10 11:10pm

Trooper TK12746 wrote:Warp speed is fast. But Palpy can see things before it happens. he could use TK to push the shuttle out of the way. Seeing as it is a general consensus that the Feddies would be wiped out, what would the Feddies need to take out Palpatine in his shuttle?

That, or TK floating debris into the oncoming ships...

applejack · Post by **applejack** » 2005-06-10 11:14pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I don't know where this damn "entire fleet" bullshit comes from.

From the Dark Empire Sourcebook. Here's an excerpt from page 70:

Warning: Force Storms are immensely destructive and violate the laws of nature. A Jedi using this power automatically gains a Dark Side Point.

Effect: This is perhaps the single most destructive force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, these storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

Use of this power requires the focusing of hate and anger to an almost palpable degree and there is danger invloved. Some are able to create Force storms, but fail at harnessing what they have foolishly unleashed. Often, those who fail to control the storm are themselves consumed and destroyed. If the user is destroyed, the storm dissapates within minutes.

When the Force user attempts to create a Force storm, the jedi must determine the diameter and amount of damage (the damage dice are capital scale). If the Jedi fails any of the rolls, the storm is summoned with the desired damage, but it attempts to consume the summoner. The summoner can attempt unusual maneuvers with the storm, such as to create a vortex to draw unwary victims to a specified point, at a +10 to difficulty.

Emphasis mine.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-06-11 12:17am

Okay, nevermind, then.