Mirror Universe

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-10-22 03:14pm

Is there an official explanation for the creation of the Terran Empire in the Mirror Universe in ST?

I read in a ST novel called "Dark Mirror" that the Terran Empire formed shortly after the Eugenics War. In fact the book said the culture of Mirror Earth never developed concept of mercy or compassion.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-22 03:15pm

ST novels are apocryphal.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-22 03:24pm

There's no official explanation, and the books contradict each other, i.e. Shatner's books say the Empire was formed by a different set of events in First Contact, or something like that.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2002-10-22 05:14pm

Or you could simply regard the novels that contradict each other as depicting different universes. After all, we know there are virtually an infinite number in Star Trek. What was the name of that episode where Worf got displaced and bounced from one universe to the next until they got him back to the right one? It had space filling with Enterprise's at the end of the episode (I thought the one which came from a universe where the Federation was on the verge of assimilation by the Borg was interesting).

This would mean there are almost certainly universes where the mirror Spock's attempt to reallign the Empire failed, and the evil, oppressive Terran Empire is still going strong. In such a milieu, all the novels concerning the mirror universes could be true - just true each for a different universe.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-22 06:29pm

according to the Shitner, yes i meant shitner, the two universed seperated during First Contact. Apparently just before our intrepid crew of incompetants trtavel back to their own time Beverly gives Zef and his mate some kind of shot to blank their memory, in one reality, the "federation" universe the hypo works, in the "terran" universe it doesn't therefore giving Zef advanced waring about the Borg and other such nasty threats, so the humans and Vulcans get a waring ahead of time and make war ships and not silly exploration ships.

Once again i will point out this is Shitners work.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-22 06:54pm

Not really. His books were ghostwritten.

And don't....disrespect...Shatner....or I will...open a can of...whoop...ass!

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-10-22 10:30pm

I always thought that the Mirror Universe Terran Empire was just an extention of the Roman Empire that never died, and expanded to emcompass the entire world.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-23 11:54am

Roman Empire that never died? Do they all have Latin names?

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-10-23 10:58pm

I clearly recall an "Emperor Tiberius"

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-24 08:40am

If it were a roman empire that never died then they'd be at least 700 years ahead of normal trek. {I have a fictional universe like that} They'd be more likely a revived empire if anything.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-10-24 08:59am

This reminds me of the best Trek novel i have ever read. The one where TNG meets the mirror universe, it's by Diane Duane and it's been ages since I resad it but it was incredibly good I thought.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-10-24 09:03am

Found it on Amazon

Amazon.com link

Better than any Voyage, DS9 and 99% of TNG episdodes IMO.

Edit: Shortened link. -Crayz9000

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-24 09:09am

RayCav of ASVS wrote:I clearly recall an "Emperor Tiberius"

Tiberius if Kirks middle name, his family had a facination with the romulan's and the Miror Kirk thought Tiberius was more intimidating that Jim.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-24 09:38am

Muad'Dib wrote:
RayCav of ASVS wrote:I clearly recall an "Emperor Tiberius"
Tiberius if Kirks middle name, his family had a facination with the romulan's and the Miror Kirk thought Tiberius was more intimidating that Jim.

Yeah, "All Hail Emperor Jim" jusst doesn't have the same ring as "All Hail Emperor Tiberius".

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-10-24 11:01pm

Crazy_Vasey wrote:This reminds me of the best Trek novel i have ever read. The one where TNG meets the mirror universe, it's by Diane Duane and it's been ages since I resad it but it was incredibly good I thought.

That was an okay book. I did like the Mirror Universe version of the Enterprise D. It was packed with weapons and whatever stuff they had that was similar to the NextGen Ent-D had more power.