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The first episode aired last week. The overall plot of the episode was Prime Directive episode, with nothing much more to say about the plot. But a few details that stand out:
- The whole situation was Discovery's fault for having that big a battle too close to a pre-warp civilization.
- We get a clear statement that the eugenics war and WWIII were the same war, people just changed what they were calling it as it was happening.
- I don't like them bringing in Uhura here, as it implies she's going to be working that communications station for over a decade with only her rank changing. Also, I'd prefer new characters instead of reusing TOS characters.

Two bits of technology we don't see later in the timeline:
- An injection that can change a persons appearance to a different species.
- The transporter can change a persons clothes during transport.

I can see why that injection fell out of use. Surgically altering someone's appearance won't undo itself in a sudden and painful way. It's a bit harder to understand why the transporter stopped being used to change clothing.
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Can't see it in the UK until Paramount+ launches and even then I'm iffy on getting another streaming service.

Ugh, I hate the retcon about the Eugenics Wars and WWIII. They were separate and the Eugenics Wars was in the 90s, just accept that the Star Trek timeline has already diverged from real life.
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A nod to older non-Trek sci-fi: the origin of the forest/garden domes of Starfleet HQ. Silent Running: seed ships are sent out to survive the coming conflict on Earth with skeleton crews. When a peace is made and the cargo no longer 'needed', the ships' cargo was to be destroyed (they weren't all destroyed).

Uhura is a cadet on rotation, not even yet a Lieutenant? Are there only 15 people left on Earth to crew the Enterprise? Can't we have a Star Trek that doesn't buy legitimacy with more known characters?

The opening scene, though:
"It's classified"
"I have higher clearance than you."
My immediate response was "General Order 7 'higher'?" (Pilot/The Menagerie pts 1&2) but only because I never watched Discovery.
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Changed history and never again used technology excused because this is the DISCO timeline not the original one. Why would a "Warp bomb" have a signature similar to a drive system? It's just an M/AM bomb, none of the space-warping that make up the warp drive's functionality would be needed.
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Disco timeline is the original one. Officially at least.
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And 'only' officially. Realistically it cannot be.
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One thing I love is how seemingly angry all the alt-right is becoming, they are foaming at the idea that a new Trek show can be so well-liked. I can't wait as their youtube channels and etc lose subscribers.
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The fascists being angry something with a left-wing message is succesful. Totally unexpected.
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The "figuring out how to communicate with super alien/plot device" plot came a bit too soon considering DISCO S4 just ended like a couple months ago. At least there was still some sense of wonder in regards of the (probably will be forgotten) super aliens and the "destined to happen" part.

Additionally, is this the first time we've seen a Trek major ship being shot at (to 40% shields) and the bridge (as well as the whole ship?) seems decently intact? No personnel flying all over the place nor exploding consoles, nor "heavy losses on deck X".....etc
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No? How many photon torpedoes' worth of fire did the E-nil eat when they met Nomad again with little apparent effect?
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Batman wrote: 2022-05-12 09:17pm No? How many photon torpedoes' worth of fire did the E-nil eat when they met Nomad again with little apparent effect?
I checked memory alpha and it said a firepower equivalent of 90 photorps lowered the shields to 80%. I guess I'll go watch "The Changeling" again. Maybe the producers are considering to reduce the "damage while shields are still up" trope?

However, I find nu-Trek ship combat kind of extremely plot based in some ways. Back in DISCO S2 it was like 20 Section 31 middle sized ships and their light ships vs DISCO and Ent-nil and their group. With not much really happening to DISCO nor ENT (as opposed to what would happen based on TNG-era ship combat)
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Batman wrote: 2022-05-12 08:42pm The fascists being angry something with a left-wing message is succesful. Totally unexpected.
It's their desperate and pathetic attempts at trying to make others hate SNW that's funny.
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Uhura's plot about her being unsure about staying in Starfleet would be stronger if we didn't already know that she's going to stay.

Is it just me, or are the people on that planet going to be in for a rough time ?
All the life on that planet is adapted for the moisture level it had at the beginning of the episode. Adding a significant amount of moisture sounds like major disruption to their ecosystem.
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Surprisingly I like it. I hate Disco and not that found of Picard, though at least Picard is watchable. But SNW seems like actually Trek. The plots are very Trekkie and they do toss in references of other Trek stuff that are nice.

I too worry about the Uhura character. Seems forced. Chapple and Spok would have been enough to nod to the original.

As far as visuals. Not sure I like the new version of the Enterprise yet. Her lines are good as far as not being JJ verse bad. But I see they still have that stupid window on the bridge. Also don't know why the did that cut out on the forward hull for lights. Looks weird and breaks up the symmetry of the ship. Oh, and those windows on the edge of the saucer look awful.

The interior sets look pretty plastic and shiny fake too, though I thought the bridge looked neat.

I picked out those same 2 issues myself, the shot to change your face and the transporter changing your clothes. I don't know why that had to go that route either. They had to make the scene with them getting in the transporter and the scene of arriving. Could have just had them all dressed up and changed going into the transporter.

And for gods sake, can someone please roll up their sleeve before getting a shot. FFS.

Other than that, I like it. I also think I caught the Admiral was April, the first Captain of the Enterprise. Nice little bit there.
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Knife wrote: 2022-05-14 04:52pm I picked out those same 2 issues myself, the shot to change your face and the transporter changing your clothes. I don't know why that had to go that route either. They had to make the scene with them getting in the transporter and the scene of arriving. Could have just had them all dressed up and changed going into the transporter.
Yeah. I can't see it being worth the risk of blowing your cover because you don't know how to unbutton your clothing.
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