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No, the only thing in my ethical system are "goals" and "state of the world". But since "state of person p" is in "state of the world", and "state of the mind of person p" is in "state of person p", then what person p believes in does count...

Sure, but would the world be better if you ate the cookie, or I ate the cookie? The world is equally +1 goal satisfied in either case. Neither case is distinguished in your logic, and that's only the basest level, which doesn't take into account things like the fact that I paid for the cookie, or y...

But we are in agreement that the preferred state is the one in which there are more beings who are in a state of satisfaction or, equivalently, not in a state of dissatisfaction, with the caveat that a "state of satisfaction" is based on goals achieved, not emotional state? So the thing wi...

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So Alton Sterling got killed for being pinned down on the ground, with his hands as far away from his gun as possible.

558th case of extrajudicial killing in the US, according tothis

Alright, fine, forget goals, replace it with "life projects". And forget that equation! It was never meant to be definitive, only indicative of the principle of the thing. I suppose any equation used to calculate the ethics of a goal should take into account cost, likelihood of success, th...

How do you weigh and evaluate goals in and of themselves ? Without the existence of other goals, that is to say, in a universe with only one creature in it and that only has one goal, how can you honestly say what that person should and shouldn't do? It should and is free to do whatever it wants. T...

Thing is, ethics has nothing whatsoever to do with naive counting of goals, and everything to do with the weighting and evaluation of goals on their merits both in and of themselves , and in relation to other goals a person might have. It simply does not and can not make sense to define ethics in t...

Elaro, 'fixing' the anthropocentrism doesn't fix the fundamental problem. As written, it's effectively impossible to decide that any course of action is "good" because just the act of picking a course of action prevents any number of other people from achieving hypothetical "goals.&q...

Second paragraph; first sentence! I was thinking of a common ethical system that we could share with beings that don't feel like us , specifically an embodied AI person. Also, general note: animals=dumbasses who generally don't live as long as humans, so if you have to choose between an animal and a...

Anthropocentrism was a mistake. Torturing a kitten= 1+(ancillary goals achieved by torturing a kitten)-(ancillary goals hindered by torturing a kitten) =1+(?, for whatever other goals are achieved by torturing a kitten)-(1+?, because it is absolutely true that the kitten is having their goal of &quo...

Oh. OHHHHH. Yes, there is a weighting function for goals, it goes something like this: Weight of actual goal G = 1 + sum_for_all( Weight of actual goal of non-negative weight whose likelihood of achievement would be increased by achieving goal G) + sum_for_all(Likelihood of choosing the goal * Weigh...

No, it's not about making humans "happy". It's about helping achieve the goals of beings with goals. And how is giving me the illusion that my goal is achieved the same as actually achieving that goal? If you can't tell the difference, I wouldn't bet on a machine deciding there is a diffe...

Hmmm, perhaps a goal could to be to realize as many (human) entities goals as possible, i.e. compromising and moderating other goals in relation to this. Might take the edge of some extreme behavior an AI might come up with if part of it's goal values is to help as many humans as possible. Result: ...

Two things are problematic with your basic approach. One is that not all entities share compatible goals. Some entities have goals that are by your standards or mine 'insane.' And applying computable ethics to 'insane' goals leads to 'insane' results. The second, related to the first, is that a use...

I've been kicking around this idea for a while now, and I'd like some feedback. I was thinking of a common ethical system that we could share with beings that don't feel like us, specifically an embodied AI person. This is a fusion of the ethical theories of Utilitarianism and Existentialism, as und...

What are your thoughts on what its proponents call "deep learning" Neural Networks?

Actually, what do you think of programs that have to be "trained" before use?

http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/02/the-nsas-skynet-program-may-be-killing-thousands-of-innocent-people/ RISK ASSESSMENT / SECURITY & HACKTIVISM The NSA’s SKYNET program may be killing thousands of innocent people "Ridiculously optimistic" machine learning algorithm is "com...

Constantin was getting bored. Well, he wasn't going to complain, with the Chaplain right besides him, but he had been hoping (“hope is the first step on the road to disappointment”, he thought quickly) that guarding the princeps would be more interesting than this. Having to stand outside Misato's h...

I have plans for Kaji. The thing is, SEELE will still try to guide things along, and Gendo is their most loyal man (heh) so he'll try to counter the meddling of the Astartes, then meddle once the Imperium controls NERV Japan. Because I want for Instrumentality to still be on the table, so the change...

Thank you! The reason for the delay is that now we get into the politics of how to get the Imperium in charge of NERV. I know that I want to do it, but how? I have several ideas, I just need to make a choice...

@Jub A)The novels are inconsistent and mostly depict heroes, not grunts B)Real world engagements favor certain tactics which aren't used on the tabletop, and so far, Eternal Crusade [REDACTED] which is why I want to know what TableTop In Real Time looks like. @madd0ct0r re: greater than linear dista...

Move this if this is in the wrong forum... How long in seconds should a marine last if he's being shot by one chaos marine with a boltgun? How much time does it take to shoot one attack's worth of damage from a weapon if that weapon is Assault 1? Rapid Fire? Basically, what should Eternal Crusade, a...

Initiate Muntz was not happy. Iron will, steel discipline, rigorous training and all that, but he wished he was somewhere else. For one thing, it was raining; for another, while they did discover several entrances to some kind of underground facility, they otherwise discovered nothing that the aeria...

Initiate Muntz was preparing his gear. “Pull, turn, pull- dip, wait, wipe-” he intoned the canto of cleansing for his bolter. The scout sergeant had briefed them all on the importance of stealth for this next mission. They were to infiltrate the countryside of Tokyo-3 and reconnoitre the area: suppl...