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It's not ironic at all. There were lots of conservative Democrats (mainly white supremacists down in the South) and lots of liberal Republicans (think people like LaGuardia). The conservative coalition formed in response to the court-packing bill, and completely killed Roosevelt's domestic programs...

FDR, LBJ, and Obama only got the progressive gains in their administrations because they had huge majorities in Congress. The GOP was reduced down to less than 100 seats after the 1934 elections, and Roosevelt still had no chance of getting major institutional reform passed through either chamber. ...

I read your post and start to think you are worth debating...and then you shitpost stuff like Clinton has legitimized corruption. If the same people that were saying something is corrupt later say it's perfectly fine that is an issue. Especially barring a reformation of the Republican Party (I can ...

Lord MJ, I seriously suggest you go back and reread the arguements people make against your point, because so far I agree wholeheartedly with what FireNexus said. I've read them multiple times. The argument was either one of two things: 1. Campaign contributions do not influence politicians at all....

It's nefarious because he decided to run for President on the ticket of a party he kept at arms length for decades and aside from casting votes with them in the senate a lot of the time did exactly jack and shit for. How is that nefarious when our political system requires that to run for President...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu5QZmPG8zk This video is a couple years old. But is one of my favorites in breaking down the issue with money in politics both in an easy to understand and short manner. I don't necessarily agree with some of their proposed solutions (lifetime pensions for former con...

No, you illiterate twerp, I never said that. What I said is that as a Democrat, I will not vote for, and encourage other Democrats not to vote for, said candidate for the nomination. I never said that if the political whore in question got more votes that they should be blocked. That's an entirely ...

No, you illiterate twerp, I never said that. What I said is that as a Democrat, I will not vote for, and encourage other Democrats not to vote for, said candidate for the nomination. I never said that if the political whore in question got more votes that they should be blocked. That's an entirely ...

Lets pretend that their was a decent GOP candidate that had positive views and was saying "We need to change the party to one that represents the people, end the divisive racist dog-whistle politics, and stand for "true" free market rather than corporatism. And that money in politics ...

For the record I did read your obnoxious post and I never said you were. I don't care enough about you or what you think to even be curious about who or what you support. I was responding to jwl and his 100% on point post about the given situation. If some new member came here and started lobbying ...

Also regarding evidence. Basic rules of evidence: As I mentioned at this point the evidence really needs to be that money is not influencing the process. Good luck proving that. But if I said the system was so bad that the politicians were little more than order takers. Or saying that "once a p...

It also while this has still as yet to be determined, there is a reasonable hypothesis to be made that the Democratic party would become more corporatist by simple virtue of the fact that donors expect a return on investment. The GOP has gone so far into crazy town that the GOP is losing its appeal ...

A-fucking-men. Aside from his allergy to evidence (Argument-by-Young-Turks-Clips doesn't count), dude honestly thinks that Clinton would be just as bad of a president as Trump. The man who just named a white supremacist to his California delegate slate. Donald Trump is just one man, an entire party...

I saw a Young Turks video a month or so back that I have to dig up that said that a GOP senator (Kelly Ayotte I believe) decided to support EPA regulations. The Koch brothers responded by cutting her funding off. They may have since reversed their decision. But it goes to show the incentive structur...

I can't do this with you anymore. You make positive claims without providing evidence when challenged. You refuse to even acknowledge the need for evidence in some matters (where it is convenient). Because you are asking the question to prove that politicians are influenced by money. When it really...

Yes but that poster wouldn't be running for mod, would they? Which refutes my point how, exactly? Nothing about your bizarre riposte invalidates what I was saying in any way. Let's continue with the analogy. If a new poster showed up and wanted to run for mod, it would still be unreasonable to ask,...

I would also add that that chart scores offers little to indicate how a liberal score of -1 in the 112th congress compares in anyway to a liberal score of -1 in the 93rd congress. The entire political spectrum has shifted to the right. So therefore the Democrats position relative to the entire spect...

You don't know a whole lot, do you? Congressional democrats were further right on average in the 1970s. And Sanders has been saying the exact same shit since then, and he was considered even more radically liberal then. I don't know where you got the idea that he was an ideological fit with the ave...

And regarding the "money is not corrupting" narrative... No. "Clinton is not corrupt, and it's an insult to suggest she is without being able to give an example when asked despite it being literally the most obvious question a politician has ever been asked about an attack they've le...

This "Democrats continue to push center right" nonsense can only be coming from someone who politically awakened during or after the 2008 election. Democrats have swung hard left since the 1990s. That Obama governs from the center-to-slightly-right is usually the implicit or explicit just...

I don't think anyone's denying money in politics is corrupting. I think we're denying, convincingly for me, that the corruption is going to have a bigger influence on her ultimate likelihood of removing money than the sheer fact of how hard Democrats are fucked in the ass by it. Democrats lost a lo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oVjonPDM9U While there still needs to be validation of this "Anonymous Lawmaker" there has been enough talk from other not anonymous lawmakers to show just how serious money in politics is. The video does make a good point though. The members of congress ar...

I would also add that while there are a lot of how should I say "unruly" Bernie Supporters out there (isn't that the case with any major candidate in any major election in the US?), it seems that Hillary supporters I talk to just toss logic and reason out the window. Examples of this: * Wh...

An appeal to popularity is not exactly a compelling argument anyway given it's a fallacy and all that. The elected leaders and the majority of American people were wrong to support the war given it's false premises. The fact that we would not be willing to accept this on Hillary's part to make a po...

I just think it's hilarious that Sanders supporters nitpick every "wrong" Hillary (and they usually include Bill) Clinton has done, yet they absolutely refuse to admit that Sanders, by joining the Democratic Party just in time to run in their primary for money and media exposure, is essen...