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Bingo · Post by **Bingo** » 2002-08-03 01:50pm

Now, since this is a board for SW vs. ST, here goes.

Star Trek was founded by Gene Roddenberry as a vision that humanity could improve beyond differences over land or supplies, that they could overcome language barriers and cultral taboos. Star Trek is not about battles, special effects, (ot that they aren't welcome

) like Star Wars is. Star Wars, by all means, is good to watch and I have no problem with it. It is fan boys like you, which you think by bashing Trek is uphailing the name of Wars, is actually dragging the name of it down. I have been on Star Trek, Sci-Fi, and even B% and LoTR boars that have forums for other sci-fi, and they all agree on this. I personally think you are so stubborn and stuck up and afraid that Star Wars might not be as popular as it was in the 80's that you purposefully compare the worst elements of Trek (nothing cant be the best all the time) to the best of Star Wars to prove pure fanboy belief that you have. Why not compare the worst of Wars and the Best of Trek and see how you like it. Actually, your Technoloigcal arguments are falsicated because you dont understand Treknology. Go read Treknology at EAS (www.ex-astris-scientia.org) and have your arguments then. Actually, Mr. Lucas got ideas for Star Wars by watching Trek, you know.
Actually, it all comes down to that you have your heads up your asses so much that you wont accept anything different than Wars, and anything shlightly off your opinion you bash mindlessly using a bad combination of fact and fasification because you are scared to admit that just because you like Wars better than other Sci-fi, others are just as good oand other people have opinions different than you. Imagine how bland the world would be if everybody wore the same thing. Admitted, Trek, and all Sci-fi for that matter, always has a bunch of fanboys who dresses up in costumes and all that crap and makes every sci-fi look bad. But I think you should be ashamed of yourselves and get it out of our bloated head that other people may not agree with you and encourage dicussion about it and not uselass flames comprised of what you think and not wat is actually is.

Good day,
Red Byrd

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-08-03 02:01pm

I would have agreed with you if it wasn't for Butthole and Butthead making Star Trek to the joke you see on television today.

If they just could turn ST for what it once stood for then i would have no problems with that unfortunately they blew it by showing crap series we today call Voyager. Their only hope is turning the new series Enterprise in to something new.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-03 02:05pm

Have some personal Issues there Bingo?

Hmm lets do the IP dance and lets see if we can track you to any know Treckys in general

Hmm none on my list but then its not that long prehaps Lord Wong who has an more extensive list could run a check

Now for the rest

Now then Bingo as that obviously is not your real name, This is not JUST a SW vs ST board, Here issues of Moraility and Faith, Logic and Sentienct themselevs are questioned
To call this Mearly a ST VS SW board is like calling Enstien just a guy, Or those of the Religious bent, That Budda was just another normal guy,

You insult me and all those others here well you come here and try and say that Gene Roddenberry acutal made it through, Look at TOS when he was acutal involved, TNG compared with DS9 or Voyager......

And second of all there are still Language Barriers and Cultral Taboos in ST they are just not as readly visable as elsewhere but thats not what your here for is it?

Its obvious by your tone and inflect you seek nothing more than to stir up trouble

And of course a healy dose of Bull-shit

Actually, Mr. Lucas got ideas for Star Wars by watching Trek, you know

Riiight so he went into the future to watch TOS then came back to the past and wrote the script?
By his own words or any one who acutal knows what Lucus's first name is would know that in every interview he claims his insperation from Buck Rogers and the Radio plays of the 50's and 60s not TOS

Your not welcome here, We don't tolerate Bigots and idiots here that well

If you want to server up some flamebait kindly do it someplace where the general IQ of the place matchers you own, Say Space-Battles would be perfect for some-one like you

On another note it can be said that for every one of you that comes along
You last about as long as the previous guy did

Good day to you don't come back

Bingo · Post by **Bingo** » 2002-08-03 02:07pm

I know. That is Berman and Braga Trek, not good trek like TOS, TNG, and DS9, and Movies 1-6 (with exception of 5) was. Actually, most of the rational Trekkies dont consider this Trek.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-03 02:09pm

Yea, Star Wars is just about pretty battles, not the age old struggle between Good and Evil, Order and Chaos, the fall and redemption of a man, to never judge things by their cover, and that ultimately, hope can bring more than the most powerful weapons.

You almost had my interest until you turned this into 'ST is about what the future should be and SW is just pretty stuff, you are all ignorant fanboys'. ST may be what the future should be, but SW is closer to what it will be: People trying to promote themselves, power struggles, and so forth.

As for popularity, I'll tell you what. When CNN runs stories on how big the opening of ST10 is for a week, I'll consider that ridiculous conclusion.

Your references to 'not understanding Treknology' and 'Lucas got ideas from Trek1!!111' are the typical nonsense trolls spew when backed in a corner.

You accuse us of having our heads up our asses? Of making sci-fi look bad? At least we don't troll in other message boards and newsgroups with messages like this.

Ignorant fuck.

Agent Edmonds · Post by **Agent Edmonds** » 2002-08-03 02:24pm

Your hipocrisy sickens me, Mr Bean. You acuse Bingo of trolling this board, then YOU GO RIGHT AROUND AND THREATEN TO DO THE SAME TO ANY TREK BOARD THAT HE HAS GONE TO!!!!

Your not welcome here, We don't tolerate Bigots and idiots here that well

Look WHO THE HELL IS TALKING!!!!

If you want to server up some flamebait kindly do it someplace where the general IQ of the place matchers you own

He does. He enjoys talking with non-biased people who are both intelligent AND tolerant of others with differing ideas. Unlike the lot of you here.

And as for SirNitram...

You accuse us of having our heads up our asses?

Yes. But you're so blinded by a hatred and zeal of an almost religious level that you are unable to see it.[/quote]

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-03 02:32pm

Of course. We're the religious zealots when you come in trolling for angered responses. Riiight. Whatever.

Begone foul idiot, get thee to a library so you can raise your IQ to a positive number.

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » 2002-08-03 02:34pm

Wanna bet They're the same person??

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-03 02:35pm

Nobody wrote:Wanna bet They're the same person??

Ten dollar.

Fluffy, eat the trolls!

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-08-03 02:37pm

I know. That is Berman and Braga Trek, not good trek like TOS, TNG, and DS9, and Movies 1-6 (with exception of 5) was. Actually, most of the rational Trekkies dont consider this Trek.

The only good Trek is Trek with Kirk in it. The rest is just a load of moralising, boring old shite. Why should I watch programs that only seem to exist so that the producers can force their sickly sweet neo communist views down my throat in every other episode?

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » 2002-08-03 02:38pm

SirNitram wrote:
Nobody wrote:Wanna bet They're the same person??
Ten dollar.

For or against??

Cause I'm betting they are...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-03 02:40pm

Eh, I'll bet against you. Trek BBoards churn idiots like this out by the tonne.

Agent Edmonds · Post by **Agent Edmonds** » 2002-08-03 02:41pm

Fluffy, eat the trolls!

The pot calleth the kettle black. What's this topic about an "Imperial Strike Force" sent to declare a board war against Section31.com? That's right, a rally to TROLL a site.

And actually, Bingo and I came here to get a kick out of watching you all flame anyone with differing ideas of your own, kinda like how a being of greater intellgence plays with the lessers. Thanks for the laughs!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-03 02:42pm

Of course, of course. You chant your dogma and when someone disagrees, we're the trolls. Of course.

Tell me, are you also a Creationist? You have the same mindset, obviously.

Agent Edmonds · Post by **Agent Edmonds** » 2002-08-03 02:44pm

I do believe Mr. Wong threw the first ball of mud with this site.

And your skirting the subject and acusing me of being a bible-thumper amuses me to say the least.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-03 02:46pm

Agent Edmonds wrote:I do believe Mr. Wong threw the first ball of mud with this site.

And your skirting the subject and acusing me of being a bible-thumper amuses me to say the least.

You certainly have the mindset of one. If someone disagrees with your dogma, you immediately assume they are dogmatic. As you said so tritely, 'Pot, Kettle, Black'.

Of course, you don't have the IQ to fully process that, so you'll just spew out more 'Trek is superior, I am superior, you all suck, I can't hear you...' nonsense.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-03 02:50pm

I really hate smurfs. Just use the same name, don't try to make it look like you have more supporters.

I will grant you that SW took inspiration elsewhere though. Course it was Flash Gordon and not Star Drek, but I digress.

RadiO · Post by **RadiO** » 2002-08-03 02:54pm

Star Trek was founded by Gene Roddenberry as a vision that humanity could improve beyond differences over land or supplies, that they could overcome language barriers and cultral taboos. Star Trek is not about battles, special effects, (ot that they aren't welcome ) like Star Wars is.

Why do I have this horrible, yawning suspicion that Bingo will still champion the Enterprise-E as an unstoppable, ISD kickin' Space Dreadnought? "We have massively powerful weapons, but as enlightened beings we only use them to keep the peace!" POW! ZAP! WHAAAAAM!!!!
Please... Prove me wrong.

Bingo · Post by **Bingo** » 2002-08-03 02:54pm

Look, by you, I mean the real fanatics that I've seen come through here, not the intelligent ones.

And I know that this is not only a ST vs. Wars board. And I know that serious discussiion goes on here.

Bingo is not my real name.

I meant he watched it on TV, not that he went to 2266.

And you proved my piont about how whenever someones has an opinion different than yours you flame them. I think Wars is about space battles, but it is fun to watch when you dont want to think. That's why TNG is never on when I have headaches.

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » 2002-08-03 02:57pm

Bingo wrote: I meant he watched it on TV, not that he went to 2266.

And if you actually THOUGHT About it, you would relize he meant Wars was around BEFORE trek, not that Lucas went TO Trek...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-03 03:00pm

And I think Trek is about neo-Communism and moralizing. What, you gonna still call me closed-minded? Fucking hypocrits.

Bingo · Post by **Bingo** » 2002-08-03 03:05pm

Why do I have this horrible, yawning suspicion that Bingo will still champion the Enterprise-E as an unstoppable, ISD kickin' Space Dreadnought? "We have massively powerful weapons, but as enlightened beings we only use them to keep the peace!" POW! ZAP! WHAAAAAM!!!!
Please... Prove me wrong.

No, I am against the recent ship to come out, because the Soverign, a capital ship, should large, spacious, and comfortable, out there exploring. Not a space-dragster, armed to the teeth, and mostly a battlewagon. That's why Trek has the Firgates, Destroyers, and Escorts. Duh.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-03 03:08pm

The Sovereign is the first intelligent thing Trek did, converting it's heavy ship ideas into battleships. The Federation was being threatened by the Dominion and Borg at the time.. Kinda important to be armed against them.

Bingo · Post by **Bingo** » 2002-08-03 03:11pm

Actually, the Soverieng came before the Dominion Wars. The Federation had devoloped countermeasurs aginst the borg by then.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-03 03:16pm

Bingo wrote:Actually, the Soverieng came before the Dominion Wars. The Federation had devoloped countermeasurs aginst the borg by then.

The Sovereign was one of many designs built to fight the Borg. The Defiant and the Akira are such ships. But they needed many of all three designs to be a match. The continued use of such is just a byproduct of hte Dominion War: Starfleet is waking up to the idea that they need a military.

"I will create a grand Army of the Federation, to protect us from the threat of the Borg..."