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 Post subject: I take back any claims of intelligence in CBR, B cubes vs DS PostPosted: 2005-11-16 05:44am
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http://forums ++++.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=2197096#post2197096

I doubt theres any risk of a board invasion, but better safe than sorry.
According to a half dozen idiots over there 15 Borg Cubes would destroy the Death star.
Sorry, some of my brain cells just died, after seeing that and there claims that Plasma wouldn't affect Borg Cubes because it has no frequency.
I jsut posted on the debate there, but I hope I don't get banned by some idiot pro ST mod as happened recently when I argued agaisnt a curbstomp thread. (The CAPS in my post is a keyboard error).

Now to see if they accept the ICT, if not I have a lot of work to do over there, any help would be welcome :wink:



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And this is from the 2 ISD's vs two nsovereigns:
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60 Gigatons, the outrageous calc I heard, would be powerful enough to wipe out life on an entire planet with one blast.
[bold] 200 Gigas could break a planet in two. [/bold]
If ONE Turbolaser could do something like that, why need the Death Star? And why aren't freighters knocked out of the sky with ease?

Eyes burning, Argh.
I can understand the claims of higher than understandble yields (Even I think that 200 GT is a bit high, but they claim that heavvy turbolasers top out at 1-2 megatons :roll: ) Still at least someone is arguing over there.
Problem is those debates move fast, I have'nt managed to see that debate since I made my fiorst post
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200 GT could break a planet in two ... maybe something a quarter of the size of Pluto? ;)



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200 GT could break a planet in two ... maybe something a quarter of the size of Pluto? ;)
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Amazing that people once laughed their asses off at the thought of someone making such an idiotic claim.



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It's not even the retarded 200GT is enough to break a planet...it's showing that the Borg can do anything.

And the movie shows beyond a single digit MT unless they care to thing asteroids are paper.



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200 GTs can break a planet in half? IIRC the recent Indonesian earthquake was measured around 100 GTs by itself, and I can't recall the planet coming close to splitting in half from it. It takes far more that a couple hundred gigatons to create destruction on the levels they're speaking of.

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Apparently ALI G is inviting a Posters war over there since the few debators arguing pro SW are being threaten with banning due to being too personal :x .
They're also pocking fun at the Q vs Han, and the retarded idea that someone over here (Don't know who) had ov Darth Vader beating Superman, seriously who would be so fucking stupid over here as to think that :P :lol: :lol:



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What the hell is Ali G doing? Is he really trying to goad them into an invasion? Isn't this a bannable offense?

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Damn it, the thread was closed before I could smack a few people around. :(



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At the risk of sounding a bit hypocritical, why would we care about what a bunch of scientific ignorants (That aren't trying to push their agenda into laws or classrooms.) think?

No matter what one thinks about finctional VS scenarios, getting real-life science wrong is dumb. 200 gigatons isn't going to shake apart an Earth-like planet. The only response I saw to that was someone saying that earthquakes aren't the same as bolts - which is true, but an earthquake tends to have 100% of it's energy in the planet (You know, hence the name EARTHquake?) And even if an earthquake somehow transferred less energy, we still should see at least the occansinal mountain (Which masses much less than a planet) thrown off into space.



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These guys are undoubtedly retards, but I've seen so much stupid shit in VS. debates that I'm no longer shocked by anything. Can someone post a link to the thread were some idiot thought a Borg DRONE could run around the DS assimilating everything, all while dodging NAVAL bombardment from any nearby Star Destroyers? :wtf: :wanker:

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Hey, CBR! I wonder if the retards we banned from here are in on this?



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CBR was always a den of idiots, filled with adolescent fanboys. I don't see why we should be shocked that they are woefully ignorant of science; I pointed that out for the last batch of CBR idiots. Why do you think they're so adamant about never using it? It's not a coincidence that the people most hostile to the application of science just happen to be people who don't know science from shatner.



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CBR is fun to hang out, but i decided to stop trying to have meaningful debates there. Its all just a popularity contest. I just hang around over there sometimes to talk about comics now, which is still rather fun but i come here if i want to talk about real debating and stuff.



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The first two pages hurt my brain. They don't bother with numbers, quantification or any semblance of rational debate. I pity them.



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Darth Wong wrote:
CBR was always a den of idiots, filled with adolescent fanboys. I don't see why we should be shocked that they are woefully ignorant of science; I pointed that out for the last batch of CBR idiots. Why do you think they're so adamant about never using it? It's not a coincidence that the people most hostile to the application of science just happen to be people who don't know science from shatner.


There have been a few intelligent posters on CBR vs. (ahem) but they don't post there anymore because CBR vs. threads are all the same old favoritist shit after a month or two. The CBR vs. board community, while I was active there, was held in fair contempt even by the other boards.

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303, you should jump on SuperSaiyaMan12 and challenge him to provide evidence for these claims:

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In the EU, I have yet to see one turbolaser fragging a planet. Wong made those calculations up.


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No, not a single one, hell no. An entire SD's arsenal slagging a planet over an hour.

Wong's calculations use ONE turbolaser, putting it at 60 gigatons.


and to mathematically prove this:

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60 Gigatons, the outrageous calc I heard, would be powerful enough to wipe out life on an entire planet with one blast. 200 Gigas could break a planet in two.


And see if you can get him to describe the mechanics of his "break a planet in two" model and show it to be physically possible.

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See, that's the problem with morons; they know that more intelligent, well-qualified people tend to state facts in support of their case, so they figure they can sound just as authoritative by simply making up "facts" out of thin air and posting them in the same matter-of-fact style.



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I signed up over there, I'm going to see if I can't pound some sense into them. Any tips on where to start?



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I signed up over there, I'm going to see if I can't pound some sense into them. Any tips on where to start?

Don't bother. The poster responsible for the worst of the stupidity (unsupported 200 gigatons cracking a planet and arguing that Bane could beat Vader), SuperSaiyaMan12, was temp-banned until the 19th. There are two main problems between CBR and StarDestroyer.Net. The first is that CBR has an attitude of unfair dismissal towards any arguments from SD.Net; this developed from hearing about how it has been seriously argued here that Han Solo could beat Q and various Sith could beat SSJ3 Goku. (On CBR, "The writers intended Q to be that powerful" is a valid argument. See below) Intelligent debaters on CBR will recognize the fallacy and accept proper arguments, but most intelligent debaters on CBR don't bother with sci-fi versus debates anymore.

The second, and larger, problem is that the methodology used at CBR is fundamentally incompatible with SD.Net. Basically, CBR does not suspend disbelief. Characters are considered as fictional and their bad showings, such as anytime Superman forgets that he can use super-speed to throw hundreds of punches in a second, are thrown out as "plot-induced stupidity". Also, posters usually don't bother with computing numbers for most feats because the feats of most characters are so inconsistent that it's all pretty pointless. Determining who beats who is a fuzzy matter of looking roughly at various high-end feats and comparing performances against benchmark characters. And so on. But the lack of suspension of disbelief means that such things like TDIC high-end calculations are valid and the ICS figures are disregarded by some people who refuse to believe them since we never see 200 gigaton explosions in the movies. Anyway, I just don't bother with ST vs. SW debates there anymore as they're now a matter of screaming about what is valid evidence and what determines canon.

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Don't bother. The poster responsible for the worst of the stupidity (unsupported 200 gigatons cracking a planet and arguing that Bane could beat Vader), SuperSaiyaMan12, was temp-banned until the 19th. There are two main problems between CBR and StarDestroyer.Net. The first is that CBR has an attitude of unfair dismissal towards any arguments from SD.Net; this developed from hearing about how it has been seriously argued here that Han Solo could beat Q and various Sith could beat SSJ3 Goku. (On CBR, "The writers intended Q to be that powerful" is a valid argument. See below) Intelligent debaters on CBR will recognize the fallacy and accept proper arguments, but most intelligent debaters on CBR don't bother with sci-fi versus debates anymore.

The second, and larger, problem is that the methodology used at CBR is fundamentally incompatible with SD.Net. Basically, CBR does not suspend disbelief. Characters are considered as fictional and their bad showings, such as anytime Superman forgets that he can use super-speed to throw hundreds of punches in a second, are thrown out as "plot-induced stupidity". Also, posters usually don't bother with computing numbers for most feats because the feats of most characters are so inconsistent that it's all pretty pointless. Determining who beats who is a fuzzy matter of looking roughly at various high-end feats and comparing performances against benchmark characters. And so on. But the lack of suspension of disbelief means that such things like TDIC high-end calculations are valid and the ICS figures are disregarded by some people who refuse to believe them since we never see 200 gigaton explosions in the movies. Anyway, I just don't bother with ST vs. SW debates there anymore as they're now a matter of screaming about what is valid evidence and what determines canon.


Well thanks for that. I made one post, however it now seems that it will be my first and last.



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I can't fucking believe this:
I'm being accused of sock-puppeting ALI G, and this thread here on Sdnet is being bought up as evidence by omega effect who is now asking to keep this civil- it isn't serious :x :evil: .

At least The threat of being banned for trying to make him use math there isn't bad considering the fact that I don't care for senoirity/post count there (Not that I have anything decent here).

Still If you're reading this OE:
We users of more than 1% of our brain, people who understand basic physics and math are better than idiots who's claim towards righteousness is what they think is cool and a gaggle of fanwanking compatriots.
And for the record, Superman would kick Darth Vaders, Palpatines and Maul's asses 10 times a milli second (10^-3s)



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Man, us warsies are fucking awesome. We tricked the scientific community into accepting the artificial inflation of the energy released in the K-T impact by over four orders of magnitude, all to make the militaries depicted in Star Wars stronger, and got away with it.

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XaLEv wrote:
Man, us warsies are fucking awesome. We tricked the scientific community into accepting the artificial inflation of the energy released in the K-T impact by over four orders of magnitude, all to make the militaries depicted in Star Wars stronger, and got away with it.

And we've tampered witht he asteroid impact calcualtor to give it the intelligence ot calculate SW effects, and eevry article written by Saxton phd and Wong as well as any mentioned by them are false/tampered with.

After all that fool Newton with his laws of physics (Shield generator thread in Wongs site) was a great Warsie :lol: :lol:



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I signed up and got in a discussion about Bane vs Vader. They automatically dismiss any arguement or picture on the grounds that its from here, and that since the pictures originated from here, that automatically meant to them that they were doctored. And they out-right refused to post any objective data on what Bane could or could not do. Just endlessly repeated things like "Bane is really tough to he could resist any of Vader's force telekinesis" They actually tried to say it was EASIER to levitate a multi-ton piece of machinery than a human being.



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