Some small 40k v starwars questions.

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Some small 40k v starwars questions.

Post by Glimmervoid » 2005-05-20 01:58pm

Well there are a lot of 40k threads about at the moment so I thought I would put forward a few questions to be debated.

1) Would a power sword stop a lightsaber?
2) Could even yoda stand up to a strongish elder psychic.
3) How would the empire react on discovery of the IoM (would they approve how things were run etc.
4) How would the old republic react on discovery of the IoM (would they approve how things were run etc.
5) What would happen if a tyranid hive fleet entered in to the starwars galaxy like the vong did.

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Post by Darth Sephiroth » 2005-05-20 02:48pm

1.) no, the lightsaber trumps a power sword quite easily, although I'd say the power sword trumps vibro weapons

2.) Possibly, I'd say it's a strong possibility with what has been show, of course there are examples of scarier things that could be pulled out of the hat (Vader's force ball attacks in Splinter of the Mind's Eye or perhaps worse things like ripping the core out of a star.

3.) The Emperor gets a sadistic gleam in his eye about new people to conquer

4.) Attempt diplomacy, end up probably conquered by the IOM's 'Agressive Negotiations' especially if any of the diplomats were non-human

5.) Star Destroyers pummel them into oblivion
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Post by Glimmervoid » 2005-05-20 03:01pm

1) I mean would a lightsaber go through it. Not which is the better weapon.

3/4) Again I really meant what they would think about the IOM.

5) If you read the vong books you would know that there were no massed stardestroyers until much a long way in to the campaign. And you also must remember the presiding gene stealer infiltration.

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Post by Darth Sephiroth » 2005-05-20 03:13pm

Glimmervoid wrote:1) I mean would a lightsaber go through it. Not which is the better weapon.

3/4) Again I really meant what they would think about the IOM.

5) If you read the vong books you would know that there were no massed stardestroyers until much a long way in to the campaign. And you also must remember the presiding gene stealer infiltration.
1.) yes it would, pieces of power sword hit the ground with glowing ends

3/4.) Empire fakes diplomacy and then takes over, he likes the worlds as they are and decides to control the Empire that way (possibly). The Republic finds the IOM barbaric, but attempts diplomacy but gets conquered

5.) If your going straight NJO, then the universe is fucked, but if the Empire is still in charge, you have someone with at least low level precog and a love of super weapons. you have medical scanners in most if not all starports to prevent plagues that search for things that are just out of the norm (I assume because Coruscant uses something similar when the Rogues get there)
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Post by Shinova » 2005-05-20 03:14pm

A powersword is supposed to be a sword surrounded by energy fields; these won't stop a lightsaber?
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Post by Imperial Overlord » 2005-05-20 03:21pm

Advanced power swords are just the energy field without a material blade. A power sword will probably survive brief contact with a lightsaber just fine.

A Jedi is completely outgunned by a powerful psyker. An alpha plus level psyker can shred a small army. A powerful eldar psyker would reduce Yoda to a grease spot.

Although their ground forces have near parity, Star Wars is vastly more powerful in space and has much, much faster FTL. These rather overwhelming advantages sink 40k powers.
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Post by NecronLord » 2005-05-20 03:26pm

Err. Power Swords cut through metal just fine, and block each other. Dark Age of Technology Power Swords sometimes were lightsabers (with a different name) though they had something of a blade shape. These still exist in inquisiton service. There is even a picture (page 177) in the Inquisitor book of such a weapon parrying a demon sword. It is absoloutely unwarranted to claim that a lightsaber is superior.
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Post by Glimmervoid » 2005-05-20 03:40pm

Darth Sephiroth wrote: 5.) If your going straight NJO, then the universe is fucked, but if the Empire is still in charge, you have someone with at least low level precog and a love of super weapons. you have medical scanners in most if not all starports to prevent plagues that search for things that are just out of the norm (I assume because Coruscant uses something similar when the Rogues get there)
Yes this is NJO that’s why I said like the vong did.

On to bio scanners. Yes they can make them but the NJO made it clear that they have gotten lacks. The vong against were able to infiltrate the new republic and were only effetely controlled when "mouse" droids with scanners on them were used. But they would be introduce to late (the tyranids are instead of the vong) because gene stealer up rising are sudden things. Yes the tactic would only work a few times but that’s a few key worlds (fleets and all) gone and controlled by tyranids.

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Post by Lancer » 2005-05-20 03:46pm

your also forgetting all those little chaos-plagues, courtesy of Nurgle.

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Post by SirNitram » 2005-05-20 06:42pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:A Jedi is completely outgunned by a powerful psyker. An alpha plus level psyker can shred a small army. A powerful eldar psyker would reduce Yoda to a grease spot.
It's more a matter of commonality. Palpatine and a few other Sith Lords acheived truly wankish levels of power(Force Storms to shred fleets, detonating stars), but they are less common thank Alpha-levels.
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Post by Stark » 2005-05-20 07:29pm

I'd think it's irrelevant if a powersword can block a lightsabre: Sergeant Smith is not going to be defeating Jedi with his bloody sword.

Automatic sprays from plasmapistols, maybe. :)

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Post by Black Admiral » 2005-05-20 07:32pm

Stark wrote:Automatic sprays from plasmapistols, maybe. :)
No, no, bad idea, very bad idea! Automatic firing plasma pistols = them exploding. :wink:

Now, Inferno pistols OTOH are fine for all your automatic heretic burninating needs. :twisted:
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Post by Stark » 2005-05-20 07:35pm

Really? I thought pistols got +2 close because of 'spray 'n' pray'. I'm out of date, however. Third edition nonsense, and all that.

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Post by Black Admiral » 2005-05-20 07:38pm

Stark wrote:Really? I thought pistols got +2 close because of 'spray 'n' pray'. I'm out of date, however. Third edition nonsense, and all that.
Dunno about that, but rapid-firing a plasma pistol isn't a bright move: given that you're firing energy bolts/beams hotter than a star's core, not allowing cool-down time is Very Bad Thing (TM).
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Post by Brother-Captain Gaius » 2005-05-20 07:39pm

Stark wrote:Really? I thought pistols got +2 close because of 'spray 'n' pray'. I'm out of date, however. Third edition nonsense, and all that.
4th Edition. ;)

Pistols fire twice if you don't move or assault, and that does include plasma weapons. Unfortunately for the wielder, double fire means double heat. I vaped my command squad's veteran sergeant and plasma gunner like that just a couple weeks ago. I'm in the process of replacing them with meltagun models.
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Post by Stark » 2005-05-20 07:46pm

JediNeophyte wrote: 4th Edition. ;)

Pistols fire twice if you don't move or assault, and that does include plasma weapons. Unfortunately for the wielder, double fire means double heat. I vaped my command squad's veteran sergeant and plasma gunner like that just a couple weeks ago. I'm in the process of replacing them with meltagun models.

Fourth edition eh? Thats what I get for not playing since 1998. I hope they moved away from the 'simple and lame' rules they introduced with the new Codices.

And SIGH why can't GW just make a straight computer implementation of their damn rules? I'd hate to see how much bookeeping heat tracking adds to the game.

But damn if talking about it doesn't make me want to dusk off my ex-Necromunda IG platoon. :)

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Post by Brother-Captain Gaius » 2005-05-20 07:51pm

I'd hate to see how much bookeeping heat tracking adds to the game.
Nothing like BattleTech or anything. It's simple: for any "Gets Hot!" weapon like plasma guns, the number of dice rolled = number required for an overheat. e.g., If you fire twice in one round of shooting, a 2 or lower on any of the dice are a wound taken on the firer.
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Post by Stark » 2005-05-20 07:56pm

JediNeophyte wrote: Nothing like BattleTech or anything. It's simple: for any "Gets Hot!" weapon like plasma guns, the number of dice rolled = number required for an overheat. e.g., If you fire twice in one round of shooting, a 2 or lower on any of the dice are a wound taken on the firer.
Cool so you never have to track it at all. That system suggests several different varieties of each class of 'gets hot' weapon. But anyway, back to the OP :)

I think the tyranids would conduct business as usual until the galactic government was aware of them, and then their fleet would be smashed and they'd be reduced to a mildly annoying pest. I'm not sure they'd ever be able to properly get rid of them, though.

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Post by Imperial Overlord » 2005-05-20 08:32pm

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Imperial Overlord wrote:A Jedi is completely outgunned by a powerful psyker. An alpha plus level psyker can shred a small army. A powerful eldar psyker would reduce Yoda to a grease spot.
It's more a matter of commonality. Palpatine and a few other Sith Lords acheived truly wankish levels of power(Force Storms to shred fleets, detonating stars), but they are less common thank Alpha-levels.
Yes, C-level canon of dubious authority. In the movies they generate no where near that kind of power.

The star detonating incidents were done by a Sith weapon built into a starship.

None of these equal the power of the Emperor. Their are more alpha level psykers in the Imperium of Man than their are Jedi in the Republic.
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Post by Stark » 2005-05-20 09:09pm

To be honest, the chaos gods are more of a threat than the IoM. As soon as the entire Sol system is destroyed, the IoM loses a) Emperor b) Mars c)most/all tech records. The Empire could just sit back and watch chaos eat all the humans.

Course, I can't really see the GE surviving chaos. Not those stupid drooling chaos marines, the gods. Jedi aren't going to do squat to them, and then we've got chaos Star Destroyers, chaos TIEs, etc. Which is actually kinda cool.

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Post by technomage » 2005-05-20 09:17pm

The image I get from the movies is that they are a low-power era. Much of what once was is long lost.

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Post by SirNitram » 2005-05-20 09:30pm

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Imperial Overlord wrote:A Jedi is completely outgunned by a powerful psyker. An alpha plus level psyker can shred a small army. A powerful eldar psyker would reduce Yoda to a grease spot.
It's more a matter of commonality. Palpatine and a few other Sith Lords acheived truly wankish levels of power(Force Storms to shred fleets, detonating stars), but they are less common thank Alpha-levels.
Yes, C-level canon of dubious authority. In the movies they generate no where near that kind of power.

The star detonating incidents were done by a Sith weapon built into a starship.

None of these equal the power of the Emperor. Their are more alpha level psykers in the Imperium of Man than their are Jedi in the Republic.
And where was I discussing the Jedi vs. a God, exactly? Put the red herring down. It's canon they can do this. And my post was entirely about the fact Alpha's are plentiful and super-Force wielders are not. So was there a point to this? :roll:
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Post by Imperial Overlord » 2005-05-20 09:45pm

My apologies, I interpreted your post (with its omission that it was a weapon that destroyed the stars and its use of EU Palpatine wankery) as an attempt to establish equality of power between force users and psykers.

Naming the most powerful few force users and comparing them to much more common alpha plus level psykers isn't comparing the top levels of psychic power in 40k. It seemed to be a slippery assertation. Again, my apoligies if I misinterpreted your post.

Sidious and Yoda are obviously powerful, but they don't demonstrate anything higher than beta level power in the movies.
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Post by SirNitram » 2005-05-20 09:49pm

Imperial Overlord wrote:My apologies, I interpreted your post (with its omission that it was a weapon that destroyed the stars and its use of EU Palpatine wankery) as an attempt to establish equality of power between force users and psykers.

Naming the most powerful few force users and comparing them to much more common alpha plus level psykers isn't comparing the top levels of psychic power in 40k. It seemed to be a slippery assertation. Again, my apoligies if I misinterpreted your post.

Sidious and Yoda are obviously powerful, but they don't demonstrate anything higher than beta level power in the movies.
And in the full canon, they demonstrate alot more. Don't pull TOWNMBS bullshit on me. It does not entertain.
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Post by Imperial Overlord » 2005-05-20 09:53pm

I'm not sure what you mean by TOWMNBS, but I think I get your drift. Even if full EU wankery mode, 40K psykers are generally stronger than force users. That Palpatine and few others can be wanked into alpha plus league doesn't change that.
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