In A Mirror, Darkly, Part-II (Spoilers)

Zor

Oh, this episode was great.

Gorn, Hoshi/T'pol Catfight, Plenty of Stuff Getting Blown up, Like the comentary on there Mirror Universe counterparts, Good Use of the Connie, Rebellion dies and a great twist in the end.

Long Live Empress Sato!

Though a Comment, How Long has the Empire been in Control of Vulcan/Andoria/Teller? The Andorian Ship was of a class that has been stated to be first feilded within the span of a guy's career so i would assume that it would be within a few decades.

Zor

Quadlok · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 12:05am

They took a lot more liberty with the Gorn than they did the Tholian. Whether thats good or bed, I'm not sure. And was there supposed to be any significance to Archer being lectured by himself? Was that supposed to be Mirror Archer's idea of Regular Archer, or what?

Admiral_K · **Joined:** 2002-08-09 01:51pm **Posts:** 560

Quadlok wrote:

... Was that supposed to be Mirror Archer's idea of Regular Archer, or what?

That was my interpretation of it.

Trogdor · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 12:30am

I love how practically the first thing the senior officers did was raid the Feds' closests.

Junghalli · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 12:58am

May I be the first to say that the whole show should have been like this. This is so much cooler than regular Enterprise! And I've got yet another sig quote out of it. And I liked the part with Hoshi, making her something more than just Evil Archer's little shower bitch. And I loved the good old dependable Connie whooping serious ass.
It could have been better though. The acting was so hammy it was comical and the plot was something less than inspired. I liked the Gorn though, a real alien alien, but not the lame way it was introduced.

Lancer · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 01:42am

It was still a sweet episode.

Also, they showed the universal translator in action. The Gorn, when he was making demands, was clearly not speaking in english, and you could hear the lag between what the gorn was saying and the translator.

Jon · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 01:50am

Trekkie mentality is seeping through on other sites, they are all complaining about the appearance of the Gorn and saying 'OMGWTF!!11 Gorn are all supposed to be lumbering and slow'- wait, didn't the Gorn only make a single appearance? But then judging a whole race on the actions of a few is part of the rabid mentality I guess, nothing new there.

Spanky The Dolphin · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 02:07am

Any images of the new Gorn?

Drooling Iguana · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 12:28pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Any images of the new Gorn?

Bounty · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 12:51pm

At least we finally have some clear idea of the Connie's weapons - the little dome above the shuttlebay is the main aft phaser, the forward phaser fires from just above the sensor dome, and she does have aft torpedoes.

I loved the twist ending - the sweet irony of having the two most ignored characters team up and conquer the Empire :lol:

Too bad we didn't actually see the orbital bombardment.

I liked the design of the Gorn, but the CGI work could've been done better. It didn't look that fast to me - not immensely faster then the TOS Gorn, anyway.

The Defiant looked as cool as it did in Part one. I liked how they referred to it's supposed ease-of-use : engineering was "stripped to the bulkheads", but Tucker could piece it back together in less then a day. The displays on the bridge were a nice touch, too : they switch between TOS blinkies and regular computer displays. That explains a lot.

Very, very good ep.

Quadlok · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 01:21pm

The whole Gorn thing seemed like sort of a ripoff of Alien. You know, big scary thing in the ductwork.

Drooling Iguana · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 01:37pm

Quadlok wrote:

The whole Gorn thing seemed like sort of a ripoff of Alien. You know, big scary thing in the ductwork.

And a fax machine is just a waffle-iron with a phone attached.

Chmee · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 02:01pm

Better in every way than regular Enterprise, right down to the intro and music ....

And Jolene in a TOS miniskirt .... thank you, thank you, thank you ......

*edit*

And some screenies:

One big happy fleet

Say hello to my leetle friend

On second thought ... goodbye

That's gotta hurt

"New" uniform

Spanky The Dolphin · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 02:56pm

I've only seen about the first ten minutes or so of this second part, since I'm waiting until I have enough time to watch the first one first. But I must say that the TOS-style sets and costumes REALLY stand up even after nearly forty years.

Jon · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 04:55pm

It's amazing how... un-sixties the connie set and uniforms look, they really pulled this off fantastically.

Oberleutnant · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 05:35pm

It was a good episode. Funny how they had managed to make TOS-era Connie look extremely high-tech compared to NX-class.

Screencap of "real" Archer's databank file
http://img245.echo.cx/img245/3466/arch8hy.jpg

And this is according to Mike Sussman (ENT producer) what reads there

MikeSussman at TrekBBS wrote:

STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: Archer, Jonathan
Serial Number: SA-022-9237-CY

Rank at retirement: Admiral, Chief of Staff, Starfleet Command
Former Assignments:
Commanding officer, Enterprise NX-01, 2150-2160
Ambassador to Andoria, 2169-2175
Federation Councilman, 2175-2183
President, UFP 2184-2192
Birthplace: Upstate New York, North America, Earth
Parents: Henry and Sally Archer

Son of famed warp specialist Henry Archer, Jonathan Archer was appointed captain of Starfleet’s first warp five starship, Enterprise NX-01. As an explorer and peacemaker, his name is among the most recognized in the Federation, and his pioneering voyages aboard the Enterprise are known to school children on dozens of worlds, many of which were unknown to humans in Archer’s lifetime. Historian John Gill called Archer the “greatest explorer of the 22nd Century.” Archer earned an impressive list of commendations during his career, including a Medal of Valor, with clusters, the Star Cross, the Preantares Ribbon of Commendation, and the Federation Citation of Honor. Archer was also appointed an honorary member of the Andorian Guard by General Thy’lek Shran in 2164. He’s the only human to have two planets named in his honor: Archer’s Planet in the Gamma Trianguli sector, and Archer IV, which orbits 61 Ursae Majoris. Archer IV was the first M-Class world charted by the famous explorer. Although the planet was uninhabitable throughout the 22nd Century due to toxic pollen in the atmosphere, an antidote to the pollen was discovered early in the 2200’s. Today, the population of Archer IV numbers more than seven hundred million.

Archer died peacefully in his home in upstate New York in the year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening ceremony of the first Federation Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701.

Hoshi's databank bio

MikeSussman at TrekBBS wrote:

STARFLEET PERSONNEL FILE: SATO, HOSHI
Serial Number: SA-037-0198-CL
Rank at retirement: Lieutenant Commander
Former Assignment: Communications and Protocol officer, Enterprise NX-01
Birthplace: Kyoto, Japan, Earth

Hoshi Sato served as translator, and protocol and communications officer on Starfleet’s first warp five starship, Enterprise NX-01. Born in Kyoto, Japan on July 9th, 2129, she was the second child in a family of three. After leaving Starfleet in her late thirties, Sato created the linguacode translation matrix, which is still in use aboard Federation starships today.

Tragically, Hoshi and her family were among the four thousand people who died on Tarsus Four in 2246 when a food shortage caused by an exotic fungus threatened the colony’s population. Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in order to save the rest of the colony. She was buried in Kyoto with her husband, Takashi Kimura.

Spanky The Dolphin · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 05:37pm

Woah, Hoshi was killed by Kodos, from TOS "The Conscience of the King"?

EDIT: At 117 years old? Damn...

Oberleutnant · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 05:42pm

Yes, that's how Sussmann intended it. However, since these bios didn't fully appear on screen, Sussmann himself was uncertain how canon all this information could be considered.

Chmee · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 05:43pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Woah, Hoshi was killed by Kodos, from TOS "The Conscience of the King"?

EDIT: At 117 years old? Damn...

Bet the 'Empress' didn't live that long .....

Junghalli · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 05:46pm

Does this sort of put the kibosh on our theory of Enterprise taking place in an alternate timeline, seeing as the Archer we all know and love is faithfully recorded on the Defiant's databanks?

Chmee · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 05:47pm

Junghalli wrote:

Does this sort of put the kibosh on our theory of Enterprise taking place in an alternate timeline, seeing as the Archer we all know and love is faithfully recorded on the Defiant's databanks?

Not if this was an alternate universe of the alternate timeline ... alternatively.

Spanky The Dolphin · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 05:55pm

Chmee wrote:

Junghalli wrote:

Does this sort of put the kibosh on our theory of Enterprise taking place in an alternate timeline, seeing as the Archer we all know and love is faithfully recorded on the Defiant's databanks?

Not if this was an alternate universe of the alternate timeline ... alternatively.

Um, or something...

Ma Deuce · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 06:04pm

I havn't watched a single episode of Enterprise since...a while anyway, but I'm definately going to make an exception for this one.

Admiral_K · **Joined:** 2002-08-09 01:51pm **Posts:** 560

Junghalli wrote:

Does this sort of put the kibosh on our theory of Enterprise taking place in an alternate timeline, seeing as the Archer we all know and love is faithfully recorded on the Defiant's databanks?

No.

The Many worlds fact (as portrayed in TNG) fully allows for Enterprise to take place in an "alternate timeline". Now, this isn't to say that the time travel caused the alternate timeline, rather the events that occured were always part of that timeline.

Anyone who still doesn't grasp this concept needs to really go back over the TNG episode Parrallels, and really think about the implications made.

Junghalli · **Post subject:** **Posted:** 2005-04-30 06:44pm

Chmee wrote:

Junghalli wrote:

Does this sort of put the kibosh on our theory of Enterprise taking place in an alternate timeline, seeing as the Archer we all know and love is faithfully recorded on the Defiant's databanks?

Not if this was an alternate universe of the alternate timeline ... alternatively.

Maybe the two timelines converged... somehow. I know that sounds mind-numbingly stupid, but it is Star Trek after all.
Or, come to think of it, the Defiant falling into Tholian hands happened differently here. In the original TOS episode it entered an area of unstable space which made the crew go bonkers for some reason and kill each other. Then the Tholians came to claim it later on for being in their territory. In the Mirror Universe scenario the MU Tholians lured the Defiant into their universe with a fake distress signal then (presumably) boarded the ship and killed everyone. Since the two events happened differently it's probably safe to say the Defiant Evil Archer stole was different from the one in TOS. Hence the alternate universe interpretation still holds up.

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