Fundies, Aliens and God's Will

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-12-10 03:09pm

Anyone have any idea or been privy to discussions amongst fundies on how exactly they will deal with aliens if they should ever come down and visit or make contact. Especially aliens obviously superior to us technically that treat religion they way we treat mental illness. Say they are apalled that we still have religious beliefs that in theior way of thinking is only one step removed from a tribal shaman's way of life.

How would they work these aliens into their world view and justify their superior existance as non believers. And not just Christians mind you, but Islamic fundies and their love affair with all things 13th century.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2004-12-10 03:23pm

Most likely as sent from the devil or a test from god or some such.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-10 03:26pm

Stravo wrote:Anyone have any idea or been privy to discussions amongst fundies on how exactly they will deal with aliens if they should ever come down and visit or make contact. Especially aliens obviously superior to us technically that treat religion they way we treat mental illness. Say they are apalled that we still have religious beliefs that in theior way of thinking is only one step removed from a tribal shaman's way of life.

How would they work these aliens into their world view and justify their superior existance as non believers. And not just Christians mind you, but Islamic fundies and their love affair with all things 13th century.

Well, considering the aliens correctly percieve religion/fundies as a mental illness, perhaps they'll provide us with a much needed cure. Then we don't need to worry about how they'll spin docter their beliefs to encompass the new reality.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-12-10 03:44pm

They would treat them the same way they treat modern scientists who don't think the Bible is true; as either agents of Satan or poor, deluded fools. Then they'd pass a bunch of laws to make sure the aliens can't influence our society.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-12-10 03:45pm

[idiot fundie]
It will be all part of a conspiracy from the evil secular government.
[/I.F.]

Seriously, I've heard fundie preachers describing how the government has plans for a massive projection in the sky as some kind of 'false Christ' or some such crap.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-12-10 03:47pm

Darth Wong wrote:Then they'd pass a bunch of laws to make sure the aliens can't influence our society.

Why do I suddenly have flashes from the movie 'Coneheads' going through my head?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-10 03:54pm

Darth Wong wrote:They would treat them the same way they treat modern scientists who don't think the Bible is true; as either agents of Satan or poor, deluded fools. Then they'd pass a bunch of laws to make sure the aliens can't influence our society.

Hopefully the aliens will be willing to ignore such laws.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2004-12-10 04:31pm

I seem to remember reading that the RC Church is planning on converting sentient aliens when/if they are found. Can anyone confirm/debunk this?

Anyway: I agree that the fundies will see the aliens as agents of Satan. I'm not sure if they will brand them heathens in need of conversion or out-and-out demons in need of extermination, though. If it's the latter, it might make things messy.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-12-10 04:41pm

Robert Walper wrote:Hopefully the aliens will be willing to ignore such laws.

I'm surprised you didn't say, "Laws....are irrelevant".

AMX · Post by **AMX** » 2004-12-10 05:02pm

Stravo wrote:...discussions amongst fundies on how exactly they will deal with aliens if they should ever come down and visit or make contact. Especially aliens obviously superior to us technically that treat religion they way we treat mental illness...

I seriously doubt there are such discussions among fundies.
I mean, [fundie] if God even created any "Aliens", they would definitely be devout Christians, like us [/fundie].

That said, if it actually happens...
...fundies are unpredictable. I won't be surprised about anything.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-12-10 05:06pm

I remember a book I readwhere Humanity found a species of aliens which looked somewhat like the mediaevel concept of devils, and some jesuits proclaimed them to be the servants of Satan...

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-12-10 05:07pm

AMX wrote:I seriously doubt there are such discussions among fundies.
I mean, [fundie] if God even created any "Aliens", they would definitely be devout Christians, like us [/fundie].

That said, if it actually happens...
...fundies are unpredictable. I won't be surprised about anything.

I actually had a similar discussion with a fundie once. His response was that if there are other intelligent beings out there, they would be just like us, since we're all in God's image.

Here's an idea, why not get the fundies to fund the space program from now on. Wouldn't life on another planet identical to ours really help their anti-evolution crusade? They're soooo certain they're right afterall.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2004-12-10 05:09pm

If aliens that technologically advanced arrived on Earth, why would they even care about the various religions that have sprouted here? Maybe they have their own religions that they'll try to force upon humanity... maybe they don't give a rats ass...

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-12-10 05:11pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:If aliens that technologically advanced arrived on Earth, why would they even care about the various religions that have sprouted here? Maybe they have their own religions that they'll try to force upon humanity... maybe they don't give a rats ass...

I would imagine that if an advanced species tried to make contact with us that it would be a scientific expedition with their version of socialologist who would try to exmamine human society and history.

OR

They could simply come for our women.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2004-12-10 05:22pm

Stravo wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:If aliens that technologically advanced arrived on Earth, why would they even care about the various religions that have sprouted here? Maybe they have their own religions that they'll try to force upon humanity... maybe they don't give a rats ass...
I would imagine that if an advanced species tried to make contact with us that it would be a scientific expedition with their version of socialologist who would try to exmamine human society and history.

OR

They could simply come for our women.

Shit, even I don't want most of our women, just a select few. They can take all of the ones with mustaches and hairy asses.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2004-12-10 06:01pm

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:I remember a book I readwhere Humanity found a species of aliens which looked somewhat like the mediaevel concept of devils, and some jesuits proclaimed them to be the servants of Satan...

Another was Childhood's End by Arthur C Clarke. The aliens who were dubbed "Overlords" by humanity arrived and took control of pre-starflight Earth. They were dead ringers for mediaevel devils.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-10 07:33pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:Hopefully the aliens will be willing to ignore such laws.
I'm surprised you didn't say, "Laws....are irrelevant".

Hmm...I must be slipping.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2004-12-10 07:51pm

To answer your question, Stravo:

http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c028.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c012.html

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-12-10 08:00pm

Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:To answer your question, Stravo:

http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c028.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c012.html

There is some disturbing crap there.

Fundie Moron wrote:Furthermore, the Bible clearly indicates that the fate of the universe (every other planet and star) is forever linked to God's timetable for mankind and the Earth. One day, Christ will return to Earth and complete the final act of man's redemption (2 Peter 3:9-10). He will destroy this present universe and create a new heavens and Earth (2 Peter 3:7,10; Revelations 21:1). All the stars and planets will be destroyed, along with the Earth.

I asked fundies about this before but never got an answer until now. The universe is one very fucking enormous place. The known universe is something like twelve billion light years in radius, and that's all that we can see. There's MORE out there that's so far away that we can't even see it. Do they even REALIZE how huge the universe is? And it's all just there to be destroyed because some hairless apes with large brains on one infinetsimally tiny mostly water-covered rock are special?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2004-12-10 08:29pm

Mayabird wrote:
I asked fundies about this before but never got an answer until now. The universe is one very fucking enormous place. The known universe is something like twelve billion light years in radius, and that's all that we can see. There's MORE out there that's so far away that we can't even see it. Do they even REALIZE how huge the universe is? And it's all just there to be destroyed because some hairless apes with large brains on one infinetsimally tiny mostly water-covered rock are special?

The especially amusing thing is that the Bible does in fact repeatedly mention sentient creatures other than angels and people.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2004-12-10 09:18pm

Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:To answer your question, Stravo:

http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c028.html
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c012.html

The webpage in question includes the following:

What bearing does this have on the question of extraterrestrial life? The timetable (and the whole reason) for this destruction and re-creation clearly seems to be based on God's plan for us Earthlings. If God had created intelligent life on other worlds, it is hard to imagine that their lives would be calibrated by the failures of Earth's inhabitants. It seems unlikely and unfair that their distant planets would be destroyed by God because of His plan for Earth. The implication of Scripture is that there are no other intelligent beings besides man, animals, and the angels.

I would like to see them backtrack on the issue if intelligent life is indeed found. Most likely they will deny the intelligence of the aliens or claim that they don't count because "they have no soul".

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-12-10 09:59pm

they;d send out missionaries, just like the last time we found creatures unlike us on a new world.

yangja isuko · Post by **yangja isuko** » 2004-12-13 04:56am

i saw an episode of southpark last friday that summed up their response:

(tv preacher)

"ok, see hmm, we've just learned that there are aliens on the planet beta zeta in the omicron galaxy who haven't been saved by jesus yet, so what we need now is a ship with a reactionless warp drive, not just any warp drive mind you, but a *reactionless* warp drive"

(fundies start sending in money)

anyway the entire episode was pretty hilarious with the fundies in their spaceship with a big cross on it's side shooting at the kids's alien spaceship and the aliens who refer to everything as marklar. one quip at the end was particularly brilliant in my view:

fundies: (after the aliens said they're sending them home)
but don't you understand that you will burn for eternity hell?!

aliens: that's nice.

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2004-12-13 10:28am

Any contact with an alien intelligence is unlikely to be as direct as a spaceship landing on the White House, and will probably be radio signals etc. detected by SETI. Then, it will be easy for them to carry on with the old 'sticking fingers in ears and singing 'Amazing Grace' ' act that they've been doing with evolution and most of science.

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2004-12-13 10:39am

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:I remember a book I readwhere Humanity found a species of aliens which looked somewhat like the mediaevel concept of devils, and some jesuits proclaimed them to be the servants of Satan...

Arthur C Clarke wrote that. Childhoods End I think, could have the wrong name...but Clarke wrote it

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