PS I studied Kendo while in Japan and Ethiopia, so I know a little bit about sword work too. (Not much as I got bored with all the rote exercises and quit after only a year and a half but enough to know that nothing I've seen in the movies is that good without wire work.)

my reply no this was when I spent two years freshout of high school, as an Office of Emergency Services Fire Fighter/ 911 operator/dispatcher. I guess government service means exclusively cloak and dagger bullshit, it's not possible to have a sci-fi fan whose done a short stint in the military, or whose been on a fireline, or whose employed as a police officer?

my reply no this was when I spent two years freshout of high school, as an Office of Emergency Services Fire Fighter/ 911 operator/dispatcher. I guess government service means exclusively cloak and dagger bullshit, it's not possible to have a sci-fi fan whose done a short stint in the military, or whose been on a fireline, or whose employed as a police officer?

So far, no one has counted the fragments or computed thier speed on this site. Untill that happens, none of you can percieve my brilliance. You will all just go on in ignorance as before, beliving the mistakes of others.

A compression factor of twenty makes the density almost 400 tons per cubic meter. The volume of a sphere 2,500m in radius is 6.5*10^10th M^3. At 400 tons per M^3 makes 2.6^16th kilogrames. At 3.3*10^17J/Kg that makes 8.7*10^33J. Or almost 90 times more than enough to explain the effects as scene on film.

I feel bad about saying "It rocks!" without providing at least one choice quote. To that effect:




Fuck, this lying shit looks like fun. Kinda like the time I wrestled giant crocodiles up north, this was right after the time I discovered the buried alien warvessel under Antarctica...

That's awesome. I don't suppose you could collect any more examples, could you? I already have my hands full sifting through the shit he posted here.

based on the time interval between the background stars in all the ST TV episodes, the speed equals 4-8 LY/SECOND!!!!!!!

THATS OVER 126,233,856 TO 254,467,712 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT! Some clips show even higher speeds! The slowest of the two figures makes the 50,000 LY trip from ST-5 in <3.5 hours! So the 6.7 hour trip in the ST-5 movie is certainly possable.

Given the cannon evidence in the 5 films, that makes ST many times faster than SW! Again, I recomend the ST-v-SW.net web site for more explanations and documentation!

That is obviously true! That the speeds in every single episode and movie of the ST universe shows speeds in the hundreds of millions of "C"! It is all cannon. None of the "taking decades to cross the galaxy" is in cannon data! It comes from books that are specificly excluded from from cannon status by Rodenberry and the Paramount organisation.

5. Cite your research. Name the books/web sites/classes. Not true! I worked for the Defense Department in one form or an other for 20 years! I sent copies of forms to prove it, Wong never posted them for all to see! Go on line and find a copy of STAR FLEET BATTLES CAPTAINS LOGs 8 AND 9. One of them has my name winning my "RATED ACE" Classification. Public proof that I have some skill at the NATIONAL LEVEL in space war gamming. Can you cite any such proof?

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That is another thing. Mike has never answered my chalenge to show how the energy losses would not vaporise the Death Star even if it was a million times more efficiant at all those things above than any machine envisioned here and now! Think about it! With the Direct Energy Transfer model if the Death Star absorbed one one millionth of the energy they cite, it would have to dissipate 10^32J OR AS MUCH ENERGY AS I SAY COULD DESTROY THE PLANET! With my model, the DS only has to supply a tiny fraction of the energy to destroy the planet. Under mikes own rules the technology that needs the least suspension of disbelife is the better solution to any problem!

When the site's owner lacks the courage to debate your ideas and bans you, then one has to take whatever means are at hand to oppose evil!

I only spent one semester at the Max Plank Instatute for Kern Physic near Hiedelburg. Not nearly as much time as you spent in high school.

I think that you need to do some work and show off that great tutonic education. How much energy would be required to accellerate the required mass of nutrons to the velocity required to fission U-238? Use your own figures for the mass of Urainium and the nutrons. You calculate the energy required to push a spike into the planets core and then show that it exceeds the available energy of the DS's inertia. (Hint, you can find penitromiter figures in Richard M. Orgorkowitz's books on "Design and Developement of Armored Fighting Vehicals") I am to lazy and know from expiriance that there are many OoM worth of energy to spair for the task. You calculate the mean free path in U-238 at any dencity you like to prove that my plan could not possably work. Write it out longhand, with the names of the items so that all of the less well educated on this board can figure it out for themselves!

I think that you should prove that it will not work or we could assume that it will!

Ignoring the BS spread by the Pro-Wars croud, Star Trek has the best and fastest drive! ~50,000LY in 6.7 hours as demonstraighted in ST-5. They always cite Voyagers 75 year trip for whatever distance it went. But they ignore the other clips that show much faster ships and trips. It would be like me showing the average speed of the SW universe by computing the "Less than a Parsec" trip in under 15 hours that the Senitor Amadala and Aniken Skywalker made to rescue Obi-wan OR all the dozzens of defective passages in the various SW books. ( That have lessor Cannon status too!)

By averaging the star motion in the various TV and film clips even faster speeds are routeen. Ships with warp drives can turn, maneuver and even have combat at FTL speeds or do "Warp Straffing"! Something the SW ships can not do! In the origional printed, (non-cannon) books, the first Enterprise was cappable of Warp-12! Look that up on the various charts on the Pro-Wars sites that you can find.

There are other drives out there that give "Instantainious" point to point travel, but I recomend that you read "Gurps Space" to find the advantages and defects for the various speeds that you might find.

But of the choises given, the ST Warp Engine is clearly the best!

Oh and Stewie? You are officially on crack. Pounding one or two incidents as evidence cannot possibly outweigh the fact that the premise of an entire StarTrek television series revolved around the fact that it would take them decades to cross the galaxy!

Typicaly Stewie logic: "Teh insidant in ST5 is worht mor then all of Yovajer!"

The single biggest problem with this is the maps shown in two of the movies. In one Corisant is about 10% from the geometric center of the galaxy and the destination is about 25% from the edge of the galaxy. It's all cannon and that makes it slower than ST.

Wrong-o, Stewie. Coruscant* is indeed corewards, but Kamino was described as being out on the edge of the galaxy, as is Tatooine. There were no maps in either movies where Coruscant and Kamino were shown and labeled on a galactic map (in fact, it purposely wasn't, since it's location was deleted from the map that Obi-Wan got at the Jedi Library). And that still doesn't invalidate how Darth Maul got from Coruscant to Tatooine in under a day.

All of this is vastly faster than ships in StarTrek, which take years to cross similar distances, as shown in just about every series.

*How the hell did you misspell Coruscant? I typed it several times in my post.

That is obviously true! That the speeds in every single episode and movie of the ST universe shows speeds in the hundreds of millions of "C"! It is all cannon. None of the "taking decades to cross the galaxy" is in cannon data! It comes from books that are specificly excluded from from cannon status by Rodenberry and the Paramount organisation.

However, the books are cannon in the SW universe! The SW books have literaly hundreds of contradictions to the speed claims that you cite! Some of the film's footage also contradicts the speeds claims made on SW's behalf, such as the two map sceens that show the points traveled are not at thier geometric discriptions but some considerable distance from them. Those changes to the equasions make SW much slower than ST. Also like ST, SW has many different speed capassities. Like "under a parsec" in over 15 hours, that it took Senator Amadala and Skywalker to go to Obi-wan's rescue.

IN IETHER CASE, THERE ARE FASTER AND SLOWER SHIPS IN BOTH SETTINGS!
IT IS ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE FASTEST SHIPS IN ST ARE FASTER THAN THE FASTEST SHIPS IN SW!

THERE ARE CERTAINLY FASTER AND SLOWER SHIPS IN BOTH SETTINGS! That the average commertial ship might take decades to cross the galaxy is just like Senator Amadalla's ship which takes OVER 15 HOURS TO GO "LESS THAN A PARSEC" TO RESCUE OBI-WAN! At that speed, it would take her ship over 28.5 years to cover the same distance as Voyager. Voyager is an experimental research ship and as such obviously does not require the same level of speed as fleet units. In addition, she is capable of much faster burst speeds, on a par with anything in the SW setting! It is just that her sustained speed is obviously much less.

Our argument is which setting has the best FTL drive! Everone cites the examples that make them look best and the other side look it's worst. BUT IN ANY FAIR JUDGEMENT, STAR TREK BEATS STAR WARS!

Wrongo yourself! When Obi-wan shows the map to the kids, Kamino is clearly well inside the Galaxy. The actual quote is that "Kamino is beyond the rim" It does not say whether it is beyond the Republic's rim or the Galaxies rim. The fact that Obi-wan's finger points to a place well inside the Galaxy defines the location exactly. The resulting distance obtained by clever souls who counted the pixels threw the sceen, is that the distance can be NO MORE THAN 25-26% OF THE GALAXIES SPAN!

The same argument can be made about Tatooine's location.

[Refering to DarkStar -- ed]But he has much better evidence on his site and it is very fair! That is something that Wong is not. After all he banned me because he did not understand my ideas and calcs.

Of course, it should be noted that the JSDF does have extensive combat experience against this individual:



So perhaps I should not be taking them so lightly

You're not saying you take his claims seriously, are you? Did you take a good look at those claims?

I didn't want to make a separate thread for it, but if you want a good laugh, visit Stewie on SB. It brings tears of laughter to my eyes.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

I love the bit where he assumes Uranium fission yields 3e17 joules per kilogram

A compression factor of twenty makes the density almost 400 tons per cubic meter. [b]The volume of a sphere 2,500m in radius is 6.5*10^10th M^3. At 400 tons per M^3 makes 2.6^16th kilogrames. At 3.3*10^17J/Kg that makes 8.7*10^33J. [b/]Or almost 90 times more than enough to explain the effects as scene on film.