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Who wins ?
Prometheus 21%  21%  [ 9 ]
Sovergein 79%  79%  [ 34 ]
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 Post subject: Sovergein vs Prometheus PostPosted: 2004-05-11 07:35am
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A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?



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A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?


The Sovereign, but not by far. Three Prometheuses could take it.

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The Sovereign, but not by far. Three Prometheuses could take it.

Why? What does the Prometheus have that the Sovereign doesn't?

Sovvie is bigger, better, and the -E is the Flagship.

(when you said 3 prommies could take it, did you mean the "let's split the ship into 3 different ships" or did you mean 3 actual prommies?)



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The Sovereign, but not by far. Three Prometheuses could take it.

Why? What does the Prometheus have that the Sovereign doesn't?

Sovvie is bigger, better, and the -E is the Flagship.

(when you said 3 prommies could take it, did you mean the "let's split the ship into 3 different ships" or did you mean 3 actual prommies?)


Three actual ships. And all the Prometheus has is the ability to spread out its fire.

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I give it to the Sovreign, because their alpha strike capabilities could probably damage the Prometheus enough in the opening salvo to gain an edge.

If the Prometheus is in MVAM, then the battle would probably be more drawn out, simply because the Sovreign has to distribute its fire three ways, and the Prometheus would always be turning its flank. In this case, the Sovreign wins, but by slimmer margin.



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 Post subject: Re: Sovergein vs Prometheus PostPosted: 2004-05-11 11:51am
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Metrion Cascade wrote:
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The Sovereign, but not by far. Three Prometheuses could take it.

Why? What does the Prometheus have that the Sovereign doesn't?

Sovvie is bigger, better, and the -E is the Flagship.

(when you said 3 prommies could take it, did you mean the "let's split the ship into 3 different ships" or did you mean 3 actual prommies?)


Three actual ships. And all the Prometheus has is the ability to spread out its fire.


I am not sure. A Prometheus was able to destroy a Nebula in 5 seconds in "Message in a bottle". That indicates Sovergein level firepower. The Prometheus may not have the shields of a Sovergein but it has the firepower to hurt it.



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Sovereign with it's QT's.



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Powerful as the Prometheus-B might be for its size and as many weapons as the Prometheus-A can bring to bear, the Sovereign has more torpedo launchers and larger phasers.



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 Post subject: Re: Sovergein vs Prometheus PostPosted: 2004-05-11 04:34pm
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evilcat4000 wrote:
Metrion Cascade wrote:
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The Sovereign, but not by far. Three Prometheuses could take it.

Why? What does the Prometheus have that the Sovereign doesn't?

Sovvie is bigger, better, and the -E is the Flagship.

(when you said 3 prommies could take it, did you mean the "let's split the ship into 3 different ships" or did you mean 3 actual prommies?)


Three actual ships. And all the Prometheus has is the ability to spread out its fire.


I am not sure. A Prometheus was able to destroy a Nebula in 5 seconds in "Message in a bottle". That indicates Sovergein level firepower. The Prometheus may not have the shields of a Sovergein but it has the firepower to hurt it.
It didn't destroy the Nebula ship, it crippled it's Warp drive.



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If the Prometheus is in MVAM, then the battle would probably be more drawn out, simply because the Sovreign has to distribute its fire three ways, and the Prometheus would always be turning its flank. In this case, the Sovreign wins, but by slimmer margin.


Why ? Just target one Prometheus part, destroy it and after this begin with the next one. The concept of a MVAM is just useless against a single target with superior firepower.



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Why ? Just target one Prometheus part, destroy it and after this begin with the next one. The concept of a MVAM is just useless against a single target with superior firepower.


It's been a while since I saw "Message in a Bottle," but I was under the impression that when the ship was in docked mode, several phaser banks were hidden and inoperative, only used in MVAM. Thus, the ship would benefit from increased firepower while in MVAM, and make the battle last longer. A search for screenies revealed nothing, so I might be wrong about that hidden weapons part.

EDIT: No, I take that back. I just found this, which seems to show phaser banks that are hidden in docked mode.



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Which is Starfleet’s premier warship: The Sovereign or Prometheus?

[RICK STERNBACH] My money’s on Prometheus, though I’d qualify that by saying it would be a 25% larger Prometheus (like the enlarged F/A-18E/F) that wouldn’t separate. This would be the latest thing out of the Advanced Starship Design Bureau, making the Sovereign as old as a Pentium II.


From an old PM. :)

I'd go with the Sovvie, mostly because I had to live with a PII for over two years. :D



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A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?


Prometheus. It incorporates at least the firepower of a Sov into a spaceframe the size of an Intrepid (more if your going in MVAM). Add that to regenerative shielding, ablative armor, and a greater top speed, and the only real way that the Sov would win is if they get a massively lucky first strike.

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A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?


Prometheus. It incorporates at least the firepower of a Sov into a spaceframe the size of an Intrepid (more if your going in MVAM). Add that to regenerative shielding, ablative armor, and a greater top speed, and the only real way that the Sov would win is if they get a massively lucky first strike.


Incorrect.

The Prometheus sports 18 phaser arrays and 3 torpedo launchers. The Sovereign sports 15 phaser arrays (several being larger arrays meaning more power), 8 torpedo launchers, and one quantum torpedo launcher.



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Sovereign would knock the shit out of the Prometheus. 4 Quants pound the bridge out, A few photons into the nacelles, phasers along the engieering hull.

Fireworks.

Ah, shields...



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Depends, I suppose. What is the individual power sources for each of the MAV's?

If the Sovie can concentrate on each piece and destroy the first one with little problem then the overall fire power of the Prometheus will keep getting reduced until its all destroyed.

For the MAV's to work agaisnt it, you'd need the Prometheus to be able to have enough juice to bitch slap the sovie before the first piece or second piece is nailed.

The Prometheus would probably have a better chance to stay in one piece and concentrate fire power on one arc of the Sovies shields instead of splitting up and wearing down multible arcs.



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It's been a while since I saw "Message in a Bottle," but I was under the impression that when the ship was in docked mode, several phaser banks were hidden and inoperative, only used in MVAM. Thus, the ship would benefit from increased firepower while in MVAM, and make the battle last longer. A search for screenies revealed nothing, so I might be wrong about that hidden weapons part


However in MVAM the firepower is spread accross several shields instead of all the weapons concentrating on a single shield. This is not good against a ships with regenerative shields like the Sovergein.



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The Sovereign should win this fairly easily. It has more firepower than the Prometheus, it's larger, and presumably has approximately equivalent technology. The Prometheus MIGHT be more cost-effective simply because it's smaller, but really three smaller ships would be much better than it is.



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Sovereign wins.

Prometheus has to dedicate additional space to internal armors on the three sections, the three sections likely have individual power grids so the armor can protect everywhere (no chinks in armor), and those extra phaser strips are only useful if the power for them is present.

Sovereign has a single structure, a single power grid, and can allocate all of its firepower to a single component to splatter it.

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Alferd Packer wrote:
It's been a while since I saw "Message in a Bottle," but I was under the impression that when the ship was in docked mode, several phaser banks were hidden and inoperative, only used in MVAM. Thus, the ship would benefit from increased firepower while in MVAM, and make the battle last longer. A search for screenies revealed nothing, so I might be wrong about that hidden weapons part.

EDIT: No, I take that back. I just found this, which seems to show phaser banks that are hidden in docked mode.


So what ?

The firepower/shield strength of a starfleet ship is limited by it's reactor, not by surface area. The Sovereign has always full power available for it's shield where the 3 parts of the Prometheus will have to split it's total power on three individual shields... same is true for phaserpower, the Sovereign never has 33% ( or even 66% ) unavailable because a part of it's had to run away because of shield loss.



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Alyeska wrote:
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A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?


Prometheus. It incorporates at least the firepower of a Sov into a spaceframe the size of an Intrepid (more if your going in MVAM). Add that to regenerative shielding, ablative armor, and a greater top speed, and the only real way that the Sov would win is if they get a massively lucky first strike.


Incorrect.

The Prometheus sports 18 phaser arrays and 3 torpedo launchers. The Sovereign sports 15 phaser arrays (several being larger arrays meaning more power), 8 torpedo launchers, and one quantum torpedo launcher.


MVAM it gets 18 phaser arrays / 5 torp launchers, + regenerative shields & ablative armor.

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Perhaps a more relevant question would be who would win ton for ton.



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A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?


Prometheus. It incorporates at least the firepower of a Sov into a spaceframe the size of an Intrepid (more if your going in MVAM). Add that to regenerative shielding, ablative armor, and a greater top speed, and the only real way that the Sov would win is if they get a massively lucky first strike.


Incorrect.

The Prometheus sports 18 phaser arrays and 3 torpedo launchers. The Sovereign sports 15 phaser arrays (several being larger arrays meaning more power), 8 torpedo launchers, and one quantum torpedo launcher.


MVAM it gets 18 phaser arrays / 5 torp launchers, + regenerative shields & ablative armor.


Incorrect. MVAM gets it 18 phaser arrays and 3 torpedo launchers along with shields and armor. The Sovereign has 15 arrays (which are more powerful), more torpedo launchers, and quantum torpedoes. The Sovereign can destroy a single section of the Prometheus and reduce the firepower it has to deal with by 33%. The Sovereign will win easily.



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The mayor problem of the MVAM is the reduction of the available energy to 33% when the Prometheus split... the shields are just too weak compared to a ship like the Sovi.



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