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My flair for the dramatic is an unfortunate handicap in debates, but nevertheless one I shall ignore. My defining the canon is just to make sure everyone remembers it. THe EU was called a "parallel universe" by Lucas, and given this quote from "Darksaber" regarding durasteel, that could be seen as a good thing:
Have you read ANYTHING about the EU's status?
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"Daala turned and ripped one of the electric-blue glowtorches from the floor behind her. 'Enough!' she shouted. She raised the durasteel staff high and smashed it down upon the tabletop. The glowcrystal exploded into shards with crackling blue sparks, and transparent fragments flew in all directions. She hammered the rod down again and again, denting the table, bending the staff, and fragmenting the end." (Darksaber, p. 133)
Capable of being bent by a pissed off woman (even one with enhanced strength, which compared to the forces out in space combat, is barely anything)? Gee, I wish I had some boots to quake in.
Wow, you use a FUCKING STAFF to judge the strength of it. Great fucking job there.
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But, that's not the topic of the reponse to the challenge issued by Wong. This is:
Phaser to Blasters
In ST:II, we see phasers vaporize at least two people.
Did you see people reacting to the invisible rapidly expanding large cloud of high temperature water vapour?
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In TNG Season 3, Ep# 57: "The Vengeance Factor", we see Riker vaporize Yuta with a phaser.
Don't you see anything wrong with the fact that the same setting "vaporizes" large human and Klingon males, but has the exact same effect on a far less massive female?
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Granted, Wong argues over "vaporization", but for all intents and purposes, Yuta was reduced to virtually nothing.
Which is NOT what vaporizing is! Matter does not just disappear!
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In TNG Season 3, Ep# 57: "The Vengeance Factor", we see another example of "vaporization", and though there is smoke left over, Wong fails to submit the idea that not ALL of the norandium was vaporized. Considering the size of the pile, and the angle of the phaser blasts, it is entirely possible the away team didn't vaporize it all, and some of it was left over, smoking. This does not indicate phasers are weak, as I might point out that:
Wrong, Mike's complaint is that it isn't vaporizing, it's
burning! Someone pours sand on it. It was a fire.
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1: We have never seen an Imperial blaster vaporize a person entirely. Or, any large scale object at all, for that matter. Yes, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru were reduced to flaming corpses, but they were still, in effect, THERE. Phasers have shown themselves capable of leaving virtually nothing left.
Which, once again, is proof they do not vaporize and are NOT DET weapons. Blasters are.
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2: In the ANH novelization, in the first chapter, Red, green and blue bolts ricocheted off polished sections of wall and floor or ripped long gashes in metal surfaces.[*i]
This seems to indicate that blaster shots simply bounce off mirrored surfaces.
It also indicates blasters make long gashes in metal!
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On one hand, this is not entirely surprising: The primary shipboard weapon in use in the Star Wars Universe is the laser: at it's most basic, energized light. Since the Empire doesn't use projectile weapons, and how blasters and lasers seem to work exactly the same ("little bolts of light," in the immortal words of John Crichton), it makes sense that blasters are just smaller versions of lasers.
What the fuck are you talking about? Don't tell me you're saying Star Wars uses actual lasers! That's troll level bullshit!
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3: Phasers can disperse their energies across a wide range for stunning and sweeping manuvers (ST: Voyager "Cathexis", ST DS9 "Way of the Warrior", "Homefront"). While they might not be able to kill large sweeps of targets, they are able to stun large numbers of them.
Prove this can have any effect on armoured targets, or that is can be used in any long range combat instead of its demonstrated close quarters.
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4: Phasers can adjust their aim ("The Vengeance Factor"[TNG]) by the fact that Riker fires the phaser off-center.
Yes.
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Phasers pack far more firepower than blasters do,
Wrong,
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are more versatile,
Blasters can kill people, stun them, and knock out armored (Stormtroopers and Droids) targets. Anything else is not in any real use on a battlefield.
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and have greater range.
You haven't even [i]tried to prove this. No phaser has demonstrated the kilometer ranges in ESB and AOTC.
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No matter the argument, the sheer fact that phasers have far greater power in ground combat applications shows that it doesn't matter if the Federation doesn't use very "sophisticated" ground tactics.
The Federation lacks things like artillery, any vehicles other then a fucking dune buggy, or even A FUCKING MACHINE GUN!
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Lines of Stormtroopers could easily be mowed down by a few security personnel equipped with phasers.
Bullshit. The completely re-armed and reequiped forces in "Siege" couldn't fucking handle a INFANTRY CHARGE!
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And given their pathetic aim (Stormtroopers), I doubt they'd prove much of a threat to Federation troops except in numbers.
Stormtroopers will be the LEAST of the Federations worries. Something else will masscre them: Combined Arms.
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Glad to have some more of the rational side of ASVS back here 