And in which he used the condition as an excuse to run away even though everyone could see that I was kicking his ass. Badly. If you actually beat me, it won't matter how many insults I use; everyone will still know who won (and it won't be you). But you know that, don't you? That's why you don't want this debate, and you want to add all sorts of bullshit conditions.

No, I have issued a challenge with no conditions whatsoever. Learn to read, asshole.

<snip a huge pile of bullshit posturing>

OK, asshole. I'll make this simple. Debate me or I'll ban your worthless ass. You have 24 hours.

But, but without special conditions that serve no purpose, how can he divert attention away from his failure to debate the issue at hand?

It's so UNFAIR!

Provide an example hatfucker.


I don't know what I want more, you banned, or you getting a patended smackdown.

It shall be quite
Intresting to see how this turns out

I'd be very surprised if Darkstar accepts the challenge. Such a dumbfuck.


"Waaah, don't use profanity"

But he can make snide condescending remarks all he likes ...

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But thats the tactic, bait the opposition and then pretend to be a victim, and if he could further re-inforce that with an official rule that says no flaming, that way he can detract from the debate, wich he needs to since he can't debate, and leave him free to nitpick and play semantics games and then claim victory if MW even looks funny at him.

What we would be left with is an incoherent babbling session with lots of repetition and snide comments and appeals to totally irrelevant rules and then claim victory if said rule is broken.

Actually, it is not a duel, it is a debate. While it might traditionally be the right of the challenged to their choice of weapons in duels, the purpose of debates is not to find the judgement of who's right by the "favour of God" and their fighting prowess, but to find out who's belief has the strongest foundation. Trying to set yourself up with an escape clause will only weaken your position in the eyes of others.

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Irrelevant . . . I am not Gothmog. I accepted your challenge, used your own stated preference to lay out terms, and you have refused the debate. This, of course, comes after all this time when I've been posting right under your nose, and you have failed to engage. That's why you now have to posture.



Of course not. Oh, I'd win the points based on reason and evidence, but you'd throw up smokescreens, fling insults like a monkey throwing feces, and do all sorts of other low-brow bullshit. That's your definition of one-on-one debate, and those are the grounds upon which you would declare victory.



I didn't add bullshit conditions, Mike. I stated terms which would limit your ability to engage in bullshit. That's why you ran. I'm sure you must've noticed my reply to DG_Cal_Wright when he asked if the ground rules were designed to lend weight to my position:

"YES!!! With the evidence and facts as the primary focus (and not stupid flaming and Wong Way BS) the evidence, facts, arguments, and logic would have to take center stage, and could not be derailed."



. . . After running from an accepted challenge, where all you had to do was answer yes to the question "Do you think you can focus exclusively on the arguments and the evidence, and not the man?"

As Lord of the Farce has quite rightly stated, the purpose of a debate is to determine which belief has the strongest foundation in the evidence. However, it is clear that you're not interested in the evidence . . . otherwise saying 'no' and running away from a debate of the facts and evidence as you have done shouldn't have even crossed your mind.





DarkStar: "If you had ever, even once, led me to believe for a moment that you could refrain from such childish behavior in a debate against me, I'd tell you to bring it on."

Wong: "OK Darkstar, fine. I challenge you to one-on-one debate. Face me, you little dipshit."

DarkStar: " . . . if you really think you can keep a promise to maintain civility in a public forum, then let's get it on."

Wong: "Don't give me any of these bullshit conditions, you evasive little chickenshit."

(((http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Hat ... tions.html
Gothmog: "Actually, as the challenged party, I should, by tradition, set the terms and topic without going through such a process as we are going through."
Wong: "If I had specifically addressed the challenge to you personally, that would be the case." )))

DarkStar: "So, you have refused to debate in a more proper fashion as per the guidelines set out by the challenged party, and have effectively re-issued a challenge wherein you demand that you be allowed to debate the Wong way."

Wong: "No, I have issued a challenge with no conditions whatsoever." "Debate me or I'll ban your worthless ass."

Is that what this silly posturing of yours has been all about? Have we finally come to the crux of the issue? This thread was your attempt to test the waters and see how a banning of me would fly, but I've ended up with some surprise support, and a few votes in my favor, even on your loaded poll.

So, you challenge me to a debate, and then fail to follow your own stated beliefs, running away from an honest, evidence-based debate because that's your biggest fear. Having been caught in the act, you suddenly have to try to play off the fact that you're not just a pussy, but indeed a huge, gaping vagina. Then, the icing on the cake . . . you threaten to ban me. This is the only force you can apply in the situation . . . the only way you can hope to make me acquiesce to a debate which has nothing to do with the issues, but everything to do with ego and audience.

I've already told you and everyone else a hundred times . . . I'm not interested in ego and audience . . . I'm here for the facts and evidence.

So, I'm afraid I have to reply with the following:

GO AHEAD AND BAN ME, YA BIG PUSSY.

DarkStar come on, Darth Wong never ran away from you, he just didn't care enough about you to think it was worth coming back. Also, he really wasn't trying to get involved in the little flame wars that up until now you have had no hesitation to get into.

Darth Wong challenged you. You then challenged him back, attempting to set conditions while you were doing so. Darth Wong is actually the challenged party.

Seeing as how you have never in the past so much as thought twice about getting into debates that would inevitably lead to flaming, I see no reason to think your refusal to debate Darth Wong is the result of anything less than cowardice on your part, and that it is merely an excuse to escape while saving face. Now, if you were the least bit confident in your skills debating, you would take Darth Wong. You would realize that if you were truly better at debates than Darth Wong, you would not actually need to resort to name calling and the like. Instead you could beat him in a debate, and then everyone would realize that his "childish" antics were in fact not justified, and that you had won the debate. Your inability to defeat Darth Wong is demonstrated by the fact that you refuse to debate him. Considering that you have never once been able to defeat me, I see it as being a correct decision on your part to refuse the debate, but I also think that you should not attempt to claim that Darth Wong is at fault for your refusal. That is dishonest.

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Mocking Darkstar just lost all challenge for me and he has flat out said he won't do it sooooooo



See ya

Just do the debate and get on with it. The points you both debate and the way it's done should stand for itself.

BTW, the man wanted a yes or no answer; seemed pretty clear to the rest of us...

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Kill your God!

You have to remeber what Darkstar sees and what the rest of us see are quite diffrent...

So I have noticed during my lurking phase...

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DILLIGAF: Does It Look Like I Give A Fuck

Kill your God!

Ah, the irony. Darkstar hurls all manner of egregious insults and put-downs in my direction while whining that unless I accept his ridiculous one-sided conditions (in which he can claim victory the moment I return the favour!), I must be a "pussy".

In other words, you refuse to debate me without an exit strategy, ie- your pussy-ass conditions. And why do you need an exit strategy? Because you know perfectly well that you'll lose.

Fine. You're gone.

PS. Notice how he suddenly becomes incredibly rude and insulting, after pretending to be a paragon of Netiquette for the past two months. This is a calculated maneuver; as soon as I challenged him to a debate, he immediately knew the only way to minimize his losses would be to avoid the debate at all costs. First he tried to stipulate unreasonable conditions in which he could declare victory at any time, by simply baiting me with his usual politely worded put-downs and then running away when I insulted him in return. Then, I blew away the smokescreen and gave him an ultimatum, to face me or be banned, and he immediately tried to bait me into banning him with his incredibly foul personal insults, because that was the path he saw as producing the least damage. I knew he would never let me pin him down to a straight man to man debate, but the game is not over. There's still his website, which I will dismantle soon ...

This thread has served its purpose then, I would delete it but as it contains good solid evidance of why Darkstar should have been banned I think it best to simply leave it here locked but for all to see

Yeah.

Now maybe we can get some peace and quiet around here...