Darkstar Poll

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » 2002-09-08 02:06pm

(Another thread hijacking attempt deleted. Darkstar, if you want to debate me, don't pull this guerilla "knock off a point here and there" shit and accept my challenge to one-on-one debate- Darth Wong)

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-08 02:12pm

DarkStar wrote:(Another thread hijacking attempt deleted. Darkstar, if you want to debate me, don't pull this guerilla "knock off a point here and there" shit and accept my challenge to one-on-one debate- Darth Wong)

Are you going to accept his challenge or not? If not, then I suggest you shut up. If you are, then great. Best wishes, DumbShit.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-08 02:27pm

Why can DarkStar write a long thread hijack on borg KE shielding, but can't give a simple yes/no answer to a debate challenge?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-08 02:28pm

Wait a minute ... HOLY SH*T . someone else has voted in favour of DS!!!!!

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » 2002-09-08 02:29pm

Darth Wong wrote:OK Darkstar, fine. I challenge you to one-on-one debate. Face me, you little dipshit. I'm sick of you blathering on about how you could kick my ass if you only had a chance. Your chance is now.

I said: "You wouldn't know how to be a good, decent, honest debater. You have to throw up smokescreens, attack from behind, fling insults like a monkey throwing feces, and do all sorts of other bullshit. That's your definition of one-on-one debate."

Wong replies: "Face me, you little dipshit"

Thank you for proving my point.

I said: "If you had ever, even once , led me to believe for a moment that you could refrain from such childish behavior in a debate against me, I'd tell you to bring it on. However, you wouldn't be able to hold your inner bastard in check for long. You have an image to maintain . . . disciples to impress . . . propaganda to peddle."

Wong replies: "I'm sick of you blathering on about how you could kick my ass if you only had a chance."

I'm really quite sorry, Wong, but I do believe I specifically mentioned that I'd tell you to bring it on, on the condition that you refrained from your childish behavior.

Do you think you can do that? Do you think you can focus exclusively on the arguments and the evidence, and not the man?

I'm not sure you can do that. Your disciples might be disappointed . . . you might even have to back off from an argument you can't win when you can't fling feces at the opposition as a smokescreen. If you want to have a proper debate, and if you are worried that you won't be able to keep the charlatanism to a minimum in a public debate, I'll even accept a private one.

But, if you really think you can keep a promise to maintain civility in a public forum, then let's get it on. But bear in mind that if you break that promise, it will be considered a concession.

You game?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-08 02:30pm

2000AD wrote:Wait a minute ... HOLY SH*T . someone else has voted in favour of DS!!!!!

7. There should be nine excluding DarkStar. Anyone who figures out why there should be nine gets a cookie.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-08 02:30pm

Course he's game. He made the challenge you idiot!

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » 2002-09-08 02:31pm

DarkStar wrote:(Another thread hijacking attempt deleted. Darkstar, if you want to debate me, don't pull this guerilla "knock off a point here and there" shit and accept my challenge to one-on-one debate- Darth Wong)

I reply to posts one at a time, in most cases, in linear order of their appearance. I had not seen your message at that time.

In any event, if you feel it necessary to delete messages which are clearly on-topic and strong counters to the bullshit arguments you post here, that's really quite sad.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-08 02:32pm

2000AD wrote:Why can DarkStar write a long thread hijack on borg KE shielding, but can't give a simple yes/no answer to a debate challenge?

considering DS's reply to the challenge i think i might be in touch with the force a little.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-08 02:33pm

DarkStar wrote:
DarkStar wrote:(Another thread hijacking attempt deleted. Darkstar, if you want to debate me, don't pull this guerilla "knock off a point here and there" shit and accept my challenge to one-on-one debate- Darth Wong)
I reply to posts one at a time, in most cases, in linear order of their appearance. I had not seen your message at that time.

In any event, if you feel it necessary to delete messages which are clearly on-topic and strong counters to the bullshit arguments you post here, that's really quite sad.

And just how is a load of stuff about Borg KE shielding on topic in a topic named Darkstar Poll?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-08 02:35pm

DarkStar wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:OK Darkstar, fine. I challenge you to one-on-one debate. Face me, you little dipshit. I'm sick of you blathering on about how you could kick my ass if you only had a chance. Your chance is now.
I said: "You wouldn't know how to be a good, decent, honest debater. You have to throw up smokescreens, attack from behind, fling insults like a monkey throwing feces, and do all sorts of other bullshit. That's your definition of one-on-one debate."

Wong replies: "Face me, you little dipshit"

Thank you for proving my point.

I said: "If you had ever, even once , led me to believe for a moment that you could refrain from such childish behavior in a debate against me, I'd tell you to bring it on. However, you wouldn't be able to hold your inner bastard in check for long. You have an image to maintain . . . disciples to impress . . . propaganda to peddle."

Wong replies: "I'm sick of you blathering on about how you could kick my ass if you only had a chance."

I'm really quite sorry, Wong, but I do believe I specifically mentioned that I'd tell you to bring it on, on the condition that you refrained from your childish behavior.

Do you think you can do that? Do you think you can focus exclusively on the arguments and the evidence, and not the man?

I'm not sure you can do that. Your disciples might be disappointed . . . you might even have to back off from an argument you can't win when you can't fling feces at the opposition as a smokescreen. If you want to have a proper debate, and if you are worried that you won't be able to keep the charlatanism to a minimum in a public debate, I'll even accept a private one.

But, if you really think you can keep a promise to maintain civility in a public forum, then let's get it on. But bear in mind that if you break that promise, it will be considered a concession.

You game?

I love this stuff.

DarkStar: I'd beat anyone in a fair debate.

DarthWong: So debate me.

DarkStar: See, <Blah Blah Blah Blah>. Want to debate me?

I can only wait to see how long he'll keep this up.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-08 02:38pm

DarkStar wrote:
DarkStar wrote:(Another thread hijacking attempt deleted. Darkstar, if you want to debate me, don't pull this guerilla "knock off a point here and there" shit and accept my challenge to one-on-one debate- Darth Wong)
I reply to posts one at a time, in most cases, in linear order of their appearance. I had not seen your message at that time.

In any event, if you feel it necessary to delete messages which are clearly on-topic and strong counters to the bullshit arguments you post here, that's really quite sad.

How is a thread about Darkstar=Borg KE shields?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-08 02:41pm

A debate between DS and Mike should be email, and the responces posted here.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-08 02:42pm

And on Mike's site and (if he wants) Darkstar's site.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-08 03:38pm

did DS actually agree to the debate? it seemed to me that his reply was a challenge to Mike, even though Mike had just challenged him.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-09-08 03:49pm

DS, do you really think Wong not adding "You fucking idiot" or "I've already fucking responded to that, change your fucking ideas or respond to mine you ignorant little bitch" will make your points seem anymore valid. Wong doesn't just reply with an insult unless someones responding with a point he's already demolished. He just adds that on to things when the idiot he's debating has stated something that really is stupid. Crap is crap, it doesn't matter if you call it shit, it's still the same thing.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-08 03:51pm

2000AD wrote:did DS actually agree to the debate? it seemed to me that his reply was a challenge to Mike, even though Mike had just challenged him.

I think he's trying to make it seem like he challenged Mike, and then Mike had to respond to his challenge. It's really just bravado and chest beating on his part. Mike'll mop the floor with him, regardless of which one challenged which.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-09-08 03:58pm

DarkStar wrote:I said: "If you had ever, even once , led me to believe for a moment that you could refrain from such childish behavior in a debate against me, I'd tell you to bring it on. However, you wouldn't be able to hold your inner bastard in check for long. You have an image to maintain . . . disciples to impress . . . propaganda to peddle."

Don't give me any of these bullshit conditions, you evasive little chickenshit. Yes or no. Answer the fucking challenge.

I'm really quite sorry, Wong, but I do believe I specifically mentioned that I'd tell you to bring it on, on the condition that you refrained from your childish behavior.

Do you think you can do that? Do you think you can focus exclusively on the arguments and the evidence, and not the man?

Answer the challenge and find out, asshole. Stop evading. Yes or no.

I'm not sure you can do that. Your disciples might be disappointed . . . you might even have to back off from an argument you can't win when you can't fling feces at the opposition as a smokescreen. If you want to have a proper debate, and if you are worried that you won't be able to keep the charlatanism to a minimum in a public debate, I'll even accept a private one.

Stop dancing around the fucking challenge, Darkstar. Yes or no. And it will be a very public debate.

But, if you really think you can keep a promise to maintain civility in a public forum, then let's get it on. But bear in mind that if you break that promise, it will be considered a concession.

Fuck off. You are setting up a condition where you can unilaterally declare victory at any time if you decide I'm not being nice to you. No conditions. No weaselling. No skirting around the issue, dancing around the bush, or style over substance fallacies. Our conduct during the debate will be judged by our peers afterwards, not used by you as an excuse to duck out whenever you're feeling overwhelmed, the way Gothmog did.

Yes or no. Answer me now.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-08 04:03pm

Incidentally, DarkStar shows absolutely no reluctance to challenge people like me or Sir Nitram to debates. When he starts threads or posts ideas, he knows that he will be flamed by us, eventually. He is clearly not afraid of debating people who flame him. He is clearly afraid of debating Wong, but not because Wong will flame him but because he knows that Wong is smarter than he is and is better at debating and is more knowledgeable than he is about the subject.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-09-08 04:16pm

Ooohhh.....thiscould be gooood....

More hate mail to read...(no insult to you intented DarkStar, I simply find them quite entertaining)

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-08 04:28pm

Oh, yeah. Hate Mail's great.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-09-08 04:39pm

Hey, even if DS won't accept, then Wong can still do critizisms of his site. Might start something.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-08 04:42pm

DarkStar's time has come.
Seems like it's smackdown time again. GO MYLORD!

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-09-08 04:46pm

Oh, yeah. Hate Mail's great.

yep, can't wait for the flames to start.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-08 04:52pm

Incidentally, DarkStar, in order for someone to take me up on my offer, they did not have to believe that you were right. They did not even have to believe that you were right on ANY point. All they had to do was:

1. Be a non-biased, third party observer to the debate.
2. Believe that there was still reasonable doubt on some of my points. In other words, they had to believe that you had not yet been utterly crushed.

The fact that NO ONE took me up on my offer is indicative of the fact that you are a lousy debater. It says that you failed to convince ANYONE that even a possibility existed that I was wrong during that little chit chat we had. Note that this was harder than a trial by jury for several reasons.

1. I had to demonstrate to everyone's satisfaction that you were wrong on nearly every point. In a trial, usually the prosecution need only prove a defendant guilty on a single charge, or on related charges pertaining to a single incident. Only in rare cases must a jury be convinced of a defendant's guilt on a variety of unrelated charges.
2. I had to prove this to more than 12 people who were not in communication with one another. In a trial by jury, if 11 jurors are convinced of a defendant's guilt, they can sometimes convince the 12th to follow them in voting guilty.

The fact that I was able to show this on both cases does not mean that I am obssessed with having lots of people follow me. I was showing that you had failed to convince ANYONE that you were even remotely right on that thread. If you were truly a God of debate (or half as good as you sometimes boast), then wouldn't you think it odd that no one even believed you had instilled reasonable doubt?

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