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Canadian police arrest activists at Wet’suwet’en anti-pipeline camp
Royal Canadian Mounted officers arrested at least six people at a roadblock erected by Indigenous people to block construction
Canadian police have made a series of arrests in northern British Columbia as they enforced a court injunction to remove activists who have been blocking the construction of a controversial natural gas pipeline on Indigenous territory.

Before dawn on Thursday, Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers backed by tactical teams and dogs arrested at least six people at a roadblock erected by the Wet’suwet’en people to stop construction of the C$6bn (US$4.5bn) Coastal GasLink pipeline (CGL).

Those detained are supporters of Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs, who have vigorously opposed the 670km (416 mile) pipeline through their territory.

“It’s a whole damn army up there,” Wet’suwet’en hereditary chief Woos told CBC News as word of the arrests spread. “They’ve got guns on, they’ve got tactical gear on. They look like they’re ready for war.”

The raid reflects a breakdown in talks between the provincial government and hereditary chiefs, who hoped to reach a peaceful solution to the impasse. Activists now fear further clashes with police as the RCMP travels up the forest service road towards the next camp.

Officers arrested anyone who refused to leave the Gitimd’en checkpoint, and said access to the area would remain closed off until the order injunction is fully enforced. (An exception would be made for hereditary chiefs and elected council members, according to the RCMP.)

Journalists at the camp were also threatened with arrest and removed from the site.

“During the raid, police attempted to prevent me and other journalists photographing tactical officers,” tweeted photographer Jesse Winter, who said he and other reporters were left at a car-park 39km away from the camp.

“This is not the outcome we wanted. We have made exceptional efforts to resolve this blockade through engagement and dialogue,” Coastal GasLink’s president, David Pfeiffer, wrote in a letter posted to the company’s website.

Police previously raided the Gitimd’en checkpoint in January 2019, arresting 14 activists.

Documents from that raid uncovered by the Guardian suggested that officers were prepared to use lethal force against activists, prompting fierce debate over police tactics. The RCMP have denied they were prepared to shoot protesters.

Wet’suwet’en chiefs have pledged to only use peaceful protest as their way of opposing the pipeline.
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Wet’suwet’en protests and arrests: Here’s a look at what’s happening now
Tensions over the Coastal GasLink rose once again this week, as the RCMP enforced a court injunction near the construction site of the natural gas pipeline in northwestern British Columbia.

The Wet’suwet’en Nation, unceded territory not covered by treaty, has long opposed the project, saying governments do not have the consent of hereditary chiefs.

The situation has been escalating since Dec. 31, when the B.C. Supreme Court granted Coastal GasLink an expanded injunction.

Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs responded by issuing the company an eviction notice in early January, saying the company was violating traditional Wet’suwet’en laws.

On Thursday, six people were arrested at the pipeline construction site by RCMP who were trying to clear the area. RCMP said they had delayed enforcing the injunction for weeks to seek a peaceful resolution, but without one, they had no choice but to follow the court’s orders.

The issue spilled over into other provinces, leading to protests in Ontario that led to train delays on Friday.

Here’s a look at the ongoing dispute.

What is the pipeline project?

The $6.6-billion, 670-kilometre pipeline is intended to carry gas from northeastern B.C. to a massive LNG export plant being built near Kitimat.

Coastal GasLink says it has signed agreements with the elected councils of all 20 First Nations along the path of the pipeline — including the Wet’suwet’en.

A look at Wet’suwet’en Nation

The Wet’suwet’en Nation, which consists of five clans, is situated near the Bulkley River in northwestern B.C.

The nation’s hereditary chiefs have repeatedly said they do not want a pipeline.

In a press release on Thursday, they wrote: “The Dinï ze’ and Ts’akë ze’ [the hereditary chiefs] continue to resist colonial and gendered violence against Wet’suwet’en people, and to protect Wet’suwet’en lands for future generations.”

What is unceded territory?

The Canadian government has recognized that all land in the country was originally owned by Indigenous People. Brenda Gunn, an associate professor at the University of Manitoba, explained that before Canada can rightfully claim the ability to make decisions about the land, it has to take ownership it.

“In the Wet’suwet’en case, the Wet’suwet’en have never ceded their right to the Canadian government,” Gunn said.

Gunn added that the process to take ownership of lands usually involve treaties, which is why Wet’suwet’en is not covered by a treaty.

In other words, the nation has never officially surrendered its Aboriginal title — its right to the territory.

A key factor in Indigenous communities being able to hold on to their Aboriginal title is physically occupying that land, Gunn explained.

“It was the Canadian court that said the Wet’suwet’en must show ongoing occupation of their land in order to prove Aboriginal title. Both the Canadian and British Columbia governments are aware of this requirement,” Gunn said.
“And so it’s really disappointing, then, when those same government(s) use police forces to remove Indigenous peoples from the very land they have been defending and asserting Aboriginal title for well over 100 years.”

Hereditary chiefs and band councils

While hereditary chiefs are calling on an end to construction, Coastal GasLink president David Pfeiffer maintains the project has the support of Indigenous leaders.

In an open letter on Thursday, Pfeiffer said the company is proud of its support from all 20 elected Indigenous governments along the pipeline path and is disappointed that it has not “found a way to work together for the benefit of the Wet’suwet’en people.”

That’s because the project has the support of the elected band council — but not hereditary chiefs.

University of Toronto professor Jeffrey Ansloos, who is a member of the Fisher River Cree Nation, explained to Global News that hereditary chiefs are a form of Indigenous governance that precede British colonization.

“These are, in a very real sense, governments with distinct law, with distinct traditions, rule, regulations and protocols for how communities are governed,” Ansloos explained.

Band councils, in contrast, are a structure that was introduced by the federal government through the Indian Act.
“[They] function to provide administration of all federal funding provided by the Indian Act to First Nations,” Ansloos said.

“Councils are elected; they are a structure that is not necessarily the same governance structures that would have preceded Canadian colonization.”

He noted that how these two groups work together can vary among First Nations communities.

Naomi Sayers, an Indigenous lawyer from Garden River First Nation in Ontario, pointed out consultations don’t always equal consent.

“In this case, the band council is saying ‘we were consulted and we agree,’ and the hereditary chiefs are saying ‘we do not consent,'” Sayers said.

There can also be disagreement within Indigenous communities on which group should make which decisions, she noted.

“You have diverse viewpoints and different concerns. When some people don’t feel like their concerns are being heard, they will rely on the other processes.”

B.C. government response

The disagreement consists largely of which groups the government should consult with for such projects.

B.C. Premier John Horgan has said the Coastal GasLink project will go forward, even if hereditary chiefs are not on board.

“The rule of law applies in British Columbia,” Horgan last month, following the court decision.

“All the permits are in place for the project and the project will be proceeding.”

Horgan said he doesn’t think hereditary chiefs have the power to the stop the project.

“I don’t believe they do, and more important, the courts don’t either,” Horgan said.

“In this instance, the courts have determined this project can proceed and it will proceed.”

Talks between hereditary chiefs and the province have not been successful. A planned week of talks between the province and the chiefs broke off Tuesday after two days of discussions, with the Wet’suwet’en saying no deal could be reached unless the province pulled its permits for the project.
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Frankly, anything that's done to perpetuate the fossil fuel industry at this point is a crime against humanity.

The Green Party here in BC is not happy about this.
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The Canadian Association of Journalists is less than pleased with the RCMP's conduct during this continuing travesty: Twitter statement. In an open democratic society, there is no valid justification to prevent the filming by the media of police performing their duties in a law-abiding fashion. All police matters that do not involve confidentiality for non-police (police, as far as I'm concerned, waive certain parts of that right by taking the job) ought to be completely transparent for the safety of all involved, and any action of public enforcement that cannot be undertaken in plain sight without very good reason (genuine risk of danger, confidentiality, etc) ought to be viewed with the most severe scrutiny and disapproval.
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Disruptive protests in solidarity are continuing today, including blocking rail lines and traffic. Good on 'em!
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Disruptive protests in solidarity are continuing today, including blocking rail lines and traffic. Good on 'em!
I wish more protesters would show this perserverance. Maybe then we'd actually get some shit done on stuff like racism, climate change, economic justice, or the ongoing breakdown of democracy and the rule of law.
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The Wet'suwet'en chiefs (hereditary; excluding the four or five in favour of the project AFAIK) have filed for judicial review of the grant of certificate on both environmental grounds and by pointing out the well known but rarely considered spike in sexual violence against Indigenous communities that mining and other extractives camps almost inevitably bring. Details.

The latter is inevitable. The attitude of disrespect entailed by violations of sovereignty alongside the general shortage of law enforcement (and that law enforcement's severe bias against Indigenous communities) combine to make areas of extractive industry in Indigenous territories a very attractive option for the kind of scumbags who want to prey on the weak and disenfranchised and get paid to do it. This sexual violence constitutes part of an ongoing campaign of genocide - officially so in Canada's case thanks to the stance adopted by the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls.
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loomer wrote:
2020-02-08 11:39pm
The Wet'suwet'en chiefs (hereditary; excluding the four or five in favour of the project AFAIK) have filed for judicial review of the grant of certificate on both environmental grounds and by pointing out the well known but rarely considered spike in sexual violence against Indigenous communities that mining and other extractives camps almost inevitably bring. Details.

The latter is inevitable. The attitude of disrespect entailed by violations of sovereignty alongside the general shortage of law enforcement (and that law enforcement's severe bias against Indigenous communities) combine to make areas of extractive industry in Indigenous territories a very attractive option for the kind of scumbags who want to prey on the weak and disenfranchised and get paid to do it. This sexual violence constitutes part of an ongoing campaign of genocide - officially so in Canada's case thanks to the stance adopted by the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls.
Yeah, there's really no disputing the justice of their case from what I'm seeing here, though its interesting that there seems to be a difference of opinion on the subject among First Nations leaders.

Wonder if the Greens will have the balls to run on "the NDP is complicit in supporting a genocide" next time around. Somehow, I doubt it.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:
2020-02-08 11:52pm
loomer wrote:
2020-02-08 11:39pm
The Wet'suwet'en chiefs (hereditary; excluding the four or five in favour of the project AFAIK) have filed for judicial review of the grant of certificate on both environmental grounds and by pointing out the well known but rarely considered spike in sexual violence against Indigenous communities that mining and other extractives camps almost inevitably bring. Details.

The latter is inevitable. The attitude of disrespect entailed by violations of sovereignty alongside the general shortage of law enforcement (and that law enforcement's severe bias against Indigenous communities) combine to make areas of extractive industry in Indigenous territories a very attractive option for the kind of scumbags who want to prey on the weak and disenfranchised and get paid to do it. This sexual violence constitutes part of an ongoing campaign of genocide - officially so in Canada's case thanks to the stance adopted by the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls.
Yeah, there's really no disputing the justice of their case from what I'm seeing here, though its interesting that there seems to be a difference of opinion on the subject among First Nations leaders.

Wonder if the Greens will have the balls to run on "the NDP is complicit in supporting a genocide" next time around. Somehow, I doubt it.
There's pretty much always dispute among community leaders, so I wouldn't read too much into it. Unless and until I start hearing from a clear majority of Wet'suwet'en that the allegations of fraudulent chieftaincies (ones that, I note, are coming primarily from lobbyists firmly in the pockets of the extractive industry) are valid, I think the more significant element is that the majority of traditional decisionmakers involved are opposed to the proposed pipeline route.
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loomer wrote:
2020-02-09 12:05am
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2020-02-08 11:52pm
loomer wrote:
2020-02-08 11:39pm
The Wet'suwet'en chiefs (hereditary; excluding the four or five in favour of the project AFAIK) have filed for judicial review of the grant of certificate on both environmental grounds and by pointing out the well known but rarely considered spike in sexual violence against Indigenous communities that mining and other extractives camps almost inevitably bring. Details.

The latter is inevitable. The attitude of disrespect entailed by violations of sovereignty alongside the general shortage of law enforcement (and that law enforcement's severe bias against Indigenous communities) combine to make areas of extractive industry in Indigenous territories a very attractive option for the kind of scumbags who want to prey on the weak and disenfranchised and get paid to do it. This sexual violence constitutes part of an ongoing campaign of genocide - officially so in Canada's case thanks to the stance adopted by the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls.
Yeah, there's really no disputing the justice of their case from what I'm seeing here, though its interesting that there seems to be a difference of opinion on the subject among First Nations leaders.

Wonder if the Greens will have the balls to run on "the NDP is complicit in supporting a genocide" next time around. Somehow, I doubt it.
There's pretty much always dispute among community leaders, so I wouldn't read too much into it. Unless and until I start hearing from a clear majority of Wet'suwet'en that the allegations of fraudulent chieftaincies (ones that, I note, are coming primarily from lobbyists firmly in the pockets of the extractive industry) are valid, I think the more significant element is that the majority of traditional decisionmakers involved are opposed to the proposed pipeline route.
While I do think its important (and I'm sure you agree) to acknowledge that diversity in opinion, it doesn't really change my view on the subject, which is that the chiefs' complaints about environmental threat and sexual violence, and the complaints against police crackdowns, all seem well-founded and just.

It should go without saying that anything originating from fossil fuel lobbyists should be presumed bullshit until proven otherwise.
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Some piece of shit drove a car through a group of wetsuweten supporters who were blocking traffic in Regina. Somehow apparently no one was hurt, but Regina police are investigating:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6526331/car- ... -regina-1/
The Regina Police Service has opened up an investigation after a vehicle appears to have driven through Wet’suwet’en supporters on Saturday.

Several videos posted online show a blue car driving through protesters who were blocking Albert Memorial Bridge.

It appears one picketer was on the hood of the car as the vehicle drove forward. Other protesters are seen banging on the driver’s window.

There are no reported injuries, according to police. No charges have been laid at this time. The investigation remains ongoing.

More than 100 protesters had gathered at the Albert Street bridge at noon where they had stopped traffic for about 15 minutes. The planned protest was scheduled for an hour.

Here's a video shared with Global News of a vehicle driving through the crowd with protesters on its roof. Credit: William Thomas-Obey. pic.twitter.com/5f3jIw4LJC

— Connor O'Donovan (@ConnODonNews) February 8, 2020

Regina police say they were assisting with the diversion of traffic after the road was blocked. In the meantime, other vehicles who were stopped by protesters, including a city bus, were able to turn around without incident.

Those at the rally were quick to share their account of the incident on social media.

“My mom was the first one in his path. … I kind of blacked out in shock and disbelief … and got my kids out of the way,” said one Facebook user who said she was at the rally. “Thankfully she was okay, but I am still shooken (sic) up and start to cry thinking about it.”

Protesters had gathered to show their solidarity with members of Wet’suwet’en Nation, who are attempting to block construction of the Coastal GasLink pipeline.

Wet’suwet’en supporters have been holding rallies throughout Canada since RCMP officers moved in to enforce a B.C. Supreme Court injunction ordering members of Wet’suwet’en to stop blocking access to the natural pipeline worksite near Houston, B.C.

With files from Connor O’Donovan.

© 2020 Global News, a division of Corus Entertainment Inc.
Well, that's reckless endangerment at minimum, arguably attempted murder and domestic terrorism. Charlottsville, and the murder of Heather Heyer by a white supremacist terrorist, comes immediately to mind, though given that no one died or was seriously hurt, this sounds less like a deliberate attempt to commit mass murder and more like an asshole/probably racist driver who didn't care if they hurt or killed innocent people getting their way and got really, really lucky.

Still hope the sack of shit spends a few years in prison.
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The RCMP have cleared a route to the Unist'ot'en camp but not yet actively engaged in assaulting it. They're probably waiting for the number of people paying attention to dwindle as the night goes on first.
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Post by Coop D'etat » 2020-02-12 05:19pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2020-02-08 11:52pm
loomer wrote:
2020-02-08 11:39pm
The Wet'suwet'en chiefs (hereditary; excluding the four or five in favour of the project AFAIK) have filed for judicial review of the grant of certificate on both environmental grounds and by pointing out the well known but rarely considered spike in sexual violence against Indigenous communities that mining and other extractives camps almost inevitably bring. Details.

The latter is inevitable. The attitude of disrespect entailed by violations of sovereignty alongside the general shortage of law enforcement (and that law enforcement's severe bias against Indigenous communities) combine to make areas of extractive industry in Indigenous territories a very attractive option for the kind of scumbags who want to prey on the weak and disenfranchised and get paid to do it. This sexual violence constitutes part of an ongoing campaign of genocide - officially so in Canada's case thanks to the stance adopted by the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls.
Yeah, there's really no disputing the justice of their case from what I'm seeing here, though its interesting that there seems to be a difference of opinion on the subject among First Nations leaders.

Wonder if the Greens will have the balls to run on "the NDP is complicit in supporting a genocide" next time around. Somehow, I doubt it.
If you think the legal and justice of this issue is entirely clear cut when all these arguments were heard in front of a judge and ruled against them, then I'd suggest that you should probably consider whether the problem is that your only reading from one side on the issues.

Legally, the hereditary chiefs are making the claim that as the territory is not ceded by treaty, only they have authority over negotiations over territory not on reserve and that the elected chiefs only have authority over the reserves. Presently the Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs have unanimity against the project because they acted to expel the three female chiefs that favoured the project.

On the other hand, the elected chiefs are the established body that the Federal and Provincial governments deal with and have the support of the Wet'suwet'en people as a population. The best indications I can find appears that the elected chiefs have the greater support by the actual people while the opposition is a passionate and signal boosted minority. Some people, including some law professors who really should know better are claiming that the legal precedents like Delgamuuk affirm the hereditary chiefs authority, when in fact they merely declined to adjudicate the matter. Whether traditional governance can trump popular rule and under what circumstances in Canadian Aboriginal law is very much an unsettled issue. At this point I'd say its fair that they may have a case, not that settled law is actually in their favour here. Particularly when there appears to be a divide between the population at large and the hereditary leadership.

https://aptnnews.ca/2020/01/27/weve-got ... n-turmoil/


I'm getting the impression that there is good reason to believe the actual indigenous peoples of northern British Columbia are being used as props by both the allied anti-GHG and aboriginal rights movement, with those against forming a vocal minority that is being signal boosted to serve outside agendas. This had lead to some embarrassing spectacles like the UNCRED "directing" (as if they actually had the authority to direct something like that) to be cancelled, then retracting a few days later after getting called out by the various chiefs in support of the project.

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Asserting that the hereditary chiefs and their supporters are being used as props is pretty insane, since they're the ones calling the shots and instigating the entire standoff.
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Post by Coop D'etat » 2020-02-12 10:45pm

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2020-02-12 09:34pm
Asserting that the hereditary chiefs and their supporters are being used as props is pretty insane, since they're the ones calling the shots and instigating the entire standoff.
The hereditary chief have instigated the whole thing and call the shots absolutely. The have agency are are knowingly doing there thing here.


There however has been a conflation of what the hereditary chiefs are claiming to the claims and rights of the Wet'suwet'en people collectively in the wider push her which I don't think is warranted. There's many indications that the project actually enjoys a lot of local popular support, which is why it keeps getting supported by the people getting elected locally through a number of cycles and it seems to me that perspective is getting ignored and erased by people pushing their own agenda. That's what I was talking about. There are some implications here that are a bit, as the kids say these days, gross.

Put it another way, what would your reaction be if you heard it was the opposite, that a decision to support a project was being made by hereditary chiefs who had forced out the female hereditary chiefs who disagreed with them and were going against the wishes of the elected chiefs. I think a lot of people would look side-eyed at that. But this thing supports a narrative a lot of people want to push so the basis for it isn't being looked at with a critical eye. The more I read up on this issue the less comfortable I got with it.

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Coop D'etat wrote:
2020-02-12 10:45pm
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2020-02-12 09:34pm
Asserting that the hereditary chiefs and their supporters are being used as props is pretty insane, since they're the ones calling the shots and instigating the entire standoff.
The hereditary chief have instigated the whole thing and call the shots absolutely. The have agency are are knowingly doing there thing here.


There however has been a conflation of what the hereditary chiefs are claiming to the claims and rights of the Wet'suwet'en people collectively in the wider push her which I don't think is warranted. There's many indications that the project actually enjoys a lot of local popular support, which is why it keeps getting supported by the people getting elected locally through a number of cycles and it seems to me that perspective is getting ignored and erased by people pushing their own agenda. That's what I was talking about. There are some implications here that are a bit, as the kids say these days, gross.
No, there's many indications that the project enjoys a very mixed reception with even many of the elected band chiefs having serious reservations but viewing it as either inevitable or the only way to gain (extremely temporary) employment for their communities. There's an important difference between this and actual popular support.
Put it another way, what would your reaction be if you heard it was the opposite, that a decision to support a project was being made by hereditary chiefs who had forced out the female hereditary chiefs who disagreed with them and were going against the wishes of the elected chiefs. I think a lot of people would look side-eyed at that. But this thing supports a narrative a lot of people want to push so the basis for it isn't being looked at with a critical eye. The more I read up on this issue the less comfortable I got with it.
Complex issues are complex, yes, and in that case I'd probably think the hereditary chiefs were in the wrong until I looked into it further. The more you look, the more you find the purported 'popular support' is actually very mixed. If you aren't finding that, look deeper.
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Post by loomer » 2020-02-13 10:27pm

The rail blockades are starting to have some heavy impacts. Naturally, the talking heads are crying about proportionality, because they're gutless wonders who think protests shouldn't actually impact anything (and thus, be useless).
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-02-15 01:51am

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2020-02-13 10:27pm
The rail blockades are starting to have some heavy impacts. Naturally, the talking heads are crying about proportionality, because they're gutless wonders who think protests shouldn't actually impact anything (and thus, be useless).
Read one of the local papers at work today- it was full of one-sided articles reporting on accusations of violence at protests, whining about how disruptive the protests are, etc. :wanker:

Meanwhile, RCMP were caught on camera aiming sniper rifles at peaceful, unarmed protesters, which basically puts them one itchy trigger finger away from some Assad-level shit:

https://cbc.ca/news/indigenous/wet-suwe ... -1.5463547
A video showing some tense moments of the RCMP injunction enforcement at a Wet'suwet'en checkpoint last Friday is circulating online.

The RCMP have been tasked with enforcing a B.C. Supreme Court injunction to ensure people are not blocking or interfering with construction of a natural gas pipeline through the Wet'suwet'en nation's traditional territory.

Denzel Sutherland-Wilson, a 23-year-old Gitxsan man who recorded most of the footage, said the scene captured in the video took place hours after police first arrived to enforce the injunction against him and a handful of friends, including Eve Saint, daughter of the hereditary chief of that territory, Chief Woos.

The video was taken on Feb. 7, the day of the second wave of enforcement from the RCMP which resulted in four arrests, including Sutherland-Wilson at the Gidimt'en checkpoint at the 44-kilometre mark on the Morice West Forest Service Road.

The Gidimt'en checkpoint was one of several sites where the Wet'suwet'en and their supporters have been living and asserting that nobody could pass the checkpoint without the consent of the hereditary chiefs.

It was posted on the Gidimt'en checkpoint Facebook page on Wednesday.

Much of the video was shot while Sutherland-Wilson stood perched on top of a wooden tower that was constructed on top of a yellow school bus, surrounded by RCMP — including a canine unit and tactical police carrying semi-automatic guns.

The camera pans to show a member of the RCMP tactical team setting up in a position behind a flipped vehicle, steadying his scoped rifle, and fixing it in Sutherland-Wilson's direction.

That's when Sutherland-Wilson can be heard pleading to police: "There's no need to point guns at us; there is no need."

"Don't point your gun at me."

There are moments of near silence during his pleas and the member of the tactical team can be seen shifting his position slightly, though still focused in Sutherland-Wilson's direction with his firearm.

At one point in the video Anne Spice, a longtime Wet'suwet'en supporter, can be heard shouting: "We are unarmed, we are peaceful."

In an emailed statement to CBC, media relations officer Cpl. Chris Manseau wrote, "The RCMP understands that any singled out moment of our enforcement efforts could be taken out of context and that our efforts were complex and involved multiple specialized units and personnel."

It said the tactical member of the force, seen in the video, was "using the rifle scope as a magnified observation device in a manner consistent with police training."

The statement says that particular tactical member was "tasked with providing over-watch."

Jerome Turner, a journalist who was reporting from the scene of the enforcement at the Gidimt'en checkpoint also reported seeing tactical officers pointing rifles in his direction.

In a story he wrote for Ricochet, Turner said, "this was a first for me, and I never want to have the feeling again."

'He was aiming at me'

As for Sutherland-Wilson's experience, he isn't convinced the police officer in that video wasn't pointing his rifle at him during that interaction.

"Even if he was a couple centimetres off or something, he was aiming at me,"

He also questions why, hours into the enforcement, he was experiencing that level of threat.

"There were already officers surrounding us by the time he did that."

The RCMP said in their statement to CBC News the role of the tactical member seen in the video was to "ensure no lethal threats were present" as police moved in.

It also said the tactical member's "over watch" was used to "make the area safe for arrests to proceed. Among police concerns were their understanding there were rifles in the area, which had been used for hunting "but could present a threat to police in these tense circumstances."

"As also evident by the video, there were many members below this dangerous structure and quite quickly prone to not only threats from firearms but objects that could have been thrown from above. These observations were imperative and the observing member would have been one of the few members at scene capable of making these observations."

Sutherland-Wilson said, "I couldn't be in a more open location with no possible indication that we had any sort of firearms or threats to their safety."

Overall, Sutherland-Wilson said the RCMP's account of what happened sounded "straight up ridiculous" and accused police of "trying to pass off this needless threat on our lives."

The RCMP concluded its statement to CBC by noting no one was injured during enforcement actions that day and said when people were eventually arrested it happened safely and with minimal force.

Sutherland-Wilson and three others were arrested that day at the Gidimt'en checkpoint, after an hours long face-off with police. They were arrested for violating the Coastal GasLink court injunction and were held in jail for three nights before being released.

He said he expected to be arrested that day, but wasn't ready to face potentially lethal consequences.

"That officer wanted to point his gun at me and he had all the power to do it, which is pretty messed up."

The RCMP said in its statement, "We hope that our actions will be assessed in their entirety and the need for future enforcement is not necessary."
NDP is apparently calling for an investigation of the RCMP.
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Post by loomer » 2020-02-15 03:56am

It's a wonder that the people demanding bloodshed over the train blockages don't realize that this is the protectors playing nice. It's a lot easier to get the trains running again when the rail lines haven't been blown the fuck up, afterall.
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2020-02-15 03:56am
It's a wonder that the people demanding bloodshed over the train blockages don't realize that this is the protectors playing nice. It's a lot easier to get the trains running again when the rail lines haven't been blown the fuck up, afterall.
Well, that and if they protesters started blowing up rail lines, then the RCMP would have even more leeway to treat them as criminals/terrorists.

Hell, if the protesters started blowing up rail lines, then we'd be in a state of civil war, more or less, and the army would probably be deployed.
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Post by loomer » 2020-02-15 10:25pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2020-02-15 12:19pm
loomer wrote:
2020-02-15 03:56am
It's a wonder that the people demanding bloodshed over the train blockages don't realize that this is the protectors playing nice. It's a lot easier to get the trains running again when the rail lines haven't been blown the fuck up, afterall.
Well, that and if they protesters started blowing up rail lines, then the RCMP would have even more leeway to treat them as criminals/terrorists.

Hell, if the protesters started blowing up rail lines, then we'd be in a state of civil war, more or less, and the army would probably be deployed.
I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying that the people actively calling for the RCMP and military to go in and violently arrest (and send them on a starlight tour, to boot - charming commentary out of that sector) or outright kill the blockaders don't comprehend that if it turns into that scenario, the trains stop because the tracks go boom.
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Post by Solauren » 2020-02-15 11:04pm

As long as the protestors are peaceful, and it's not screwing with non-essential supplies, I'm in favor of letting them protest for a bit.

However, if they're anti-pipeline, wouldn't they be better off, oh, blocking the pipeline itself? Disrupting train lines, while a good way to get attention, isn't going to win them any public relations points in the long term.
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Post by loomer » 2020-02-15 11:11pm

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2020-02-15 11:04pm
As long as the protestors are peaceful, and it's not screwing with non-essential supplies, I'm in favor of letting them protest for a bit.

However, if they're anti-pipeline, wouldn't they be better off, oh, blocking the pipeline itself? Disrupting train lines, while a good way to get attention, isn't going to win them any public relations points in the long term.
They are blocking the pipeline route. The point of the rail blockade is to force the government's hand to avoid the blockade of the pipeline itself being ignored. Also, it's weird how many people seem to think the PR blowback will be against the blockaders on this when the only reason train service has been disrupted is a failure of the Canadian government's domestic-international relations policies.
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Re: Canadian police arrest activists at Wet’suwet’en anti-pipeline camp

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2020-02-16 12:59am

loomer wrote:
2020-02-15 10:25pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2020-02-15 12:19pm
loomer wrote:
2020-02-15 03:56am
It's a wonder that the people demanding bloodshed over the train blockages don't realize that this is the protectors playing nice. It's a lot easier to get the trains running again when the rail lines haven't been blown the fuck up, afterall.
Well, that and if they protesters started blowing up rail lines, then the RCMP would have even more leeway to treat them as criminals/terrorists.

Hell, if the protesters started blowing up rail lines, then we'd be in a state of civil war, more or less, and the army would probably be deployed.
I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying that the people actively calling for the RCMP and military to go in and violently arrest (and send them on a starlight tour, to boot - charming commentary out of that sector) or outright kill the blockaders don't comprehend that if it turns into that scenario, the trains stop because the tracks go boom.
Ah, fair enough.
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Re: Canadian police arrest activists at Wet’suwet’en anti-pipeline camp

Post by Solauren » 2020-02-16 05:35pm

loomer wrote:
2020-02-15 11:11pm
Solauren wrote:
2020-02-15 11:04pm
As long as the protestors are peaceful, and it's not screwing with non-essential supplies, I'm in favor of letting them protest for a bit.

However, if they're anti-pipeline, wouldn't they be better off, oh, blocking the pipeline itself? Disrupting train lines, while a good way to get attention, isn't going to win them any public relations points in the long term.
They are blocking the pipeline route. The point of the rail blockade is to force the government's hand to avoid the blockade of the pipeline itself being ignored. Also, it's weird how many people seem to think the PR blowback will be against the blockaders on this when the only reason train service has been disrupted is a failure of the Canadian government's domestic-international relations policies.
Problem is, when it comes to the general public, they generally support protests against 'The Man', until it begins to disrupt their lives in anyway. At that point, the Protestors become at fault, with 'The Man' getting negative PR for not having already dealt with them.
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