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Marvel Studios' Black Widow - Official Teaser Trailer.

Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2019-12-03 05:08pm

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2019-12-03 11:22pm

Hmm. I'm not thrilled by the teaser, but this movie is so long-overdue that I'll still go see it on principle.

I just wish it had been five years earlier or so.
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Post by FaxModem1 » 2019-12-04 05:26am

Looks cool, but I gotta admit, the more it resembles a Jason Bourne film, the less interested I am in watching it. Whereas seeing the cool suits and people doing martial arts in a red and black room makes me want to see it. Hopefully it'll be good.
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Post by Gandalf » 2019-12-04 03:06pm

So is she the only one in her family with an American accent? Also, because they're going back to the origin established in Ultron, I wonder if they'll address her apparently monstrous infertility?
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Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2019-12-04 04:59pm

They're bringing in the Red Guardian, a character I hadn't heard of before today. Apparently they're going with the Alexei Shostakov version, who in the comics was Romanov's husband.
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They're bringing in the Red Guardian, a character I hadn't heard of before today. Apparently they're going with the Alexei Shostakov version, who in the comics was Romanov's husband.
I got mixed up with the Boys and thought it was Love Sausage (Vasilii Vorishikin)

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Post by LaCroix » 2019-12-05 05:31am

maybe we finally find out what happened in Budapest...
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Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2019-12-05 05:38pm

She and Hawkeye remember it very differently.
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Post by Raw Shark » 2019-12-11 03:31pm

I thought it was kind of a running joke that Black Widow doesn't get her own movie because she's pretty much the village bicycle of Marvel... Y'know, always a feature in somebody else's story.

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2019-12-11 09:30pm

Well, thankfully they did give her one. I hope its good.

I also hope it ends with an after credits scene showing her and Original Gamora alive in the Soul Stone, followed by the words "Black Widow will return", but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
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Post by Vendetta » 2019-12-13 01:37pm

Raw Shark wrote:
2019-12-11 03:31pm
I thought it was kind of a running joke that Black Widow doesn't get her own movie because she's pretty much the village bicycle of Marvel... Y'know, always a feature in somebody else's story.
Less of a running joke more of a contractual obligation with Scarlett Johansson. Her contract had her as supporting for X number of appearances.

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Re: Marvel Studios' Black Widow - Official Teaser Trailer.

Post by Raw Shark » 2019-12-13 04:39pm

Vendetta wrote:
2019-12-13 01:37pm
Raw Shark wrote:
2019-12-11 03:31pm
I thought it was kind of a running joke that Black Widow doesn't get her own movie because she's pretty much the village bicycle of Marvel... Y'know, always a feature in somebody else's story.
Less of a running joke more of a contractual obligation with Scarlett Johansson. Her contract had her as supporting for X number of appearances.
I meant in the comics. She's been involved with pretty much everybody.

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Post by Vendetta » 2019-12-13 05:46pm

Raw Shark wrote:
2019-12-13 04:39pm
Vendetta wrote:
2019-12-13 01:37pm
Raw Shark wrote:
2019-12-11 03:31pm
I thought it was kind of a running joke that Black Widow doesn't get her own movie because she's pretty much the village bicycle of Marvel... Y'know, always a feature in somebody else's story.
Less of a running joke more of a contractual obligation with Scarlett Johansson. Her contract had her as supporting for X number of appearances.
I meant in the comics. She's been involved with pretty much everybody.
Yeah, but in the comics they've all been at each other.

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Post by Raw Shark » 2019-12-13 08:52pm

Vendetta wrote:
2019-12-13 05:46pm
Kitty Pryde seems to be on a personal mission to cross off everyone named Peter in the entire universe.
Yeah, well. Like most of my exes, you can see right through her...

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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2019-12-15 03:33pm

Comics writers think women are there to look sexy and be love interests (or damsels in distress). News at 11.
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Post by Gandalf » 2019-12-15 03:56pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2019-12-15 03:33pm
Comics writers think women are there to look sexy and be love interests (or damsels in distress). News at 11.
They're also there to reproduce and make more superheroes. Poor sterile monster Black Widow. :(
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Re: Marvel Studios' Black Widow - Official Teaser Trailer.

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2019-12-15 04:17pm

Gandalf wrote:
2019-12-15 03:56pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2019-12-15 03:33pm
Comics writers think women are there to look sexy and be love interests (or damsels in distress). News at 11.
They're also there to reproduce and make more superheroes. Poor sterile monster Black Widow. :(
Its been a long time since I watched it, but I actually think people make more of that single scene than they should. It came across badly, obviously, but I do not think the film's intent was to say "Natasha is a monster because she can't have children". I think the intent was to say that Natasha thinks she is a monster because of what the Red Room did to her, and her inability to have children is symbolic of that to her. Its a fine distinction, perhaps, and clearly wasn't very clearly conveyed, but I do not think the intent was to say "Women are only valuable as child-bearers", which is how its been represented.

If we want to talk Marvel sexism, I was much more disturbed by the deaths of Gamora and Natasha, or that stupid try-hard faux feminist group pose in the final battle of Endgame. Frankly, this is a case of people not distinguishing between what the character thinks in-character, and the actual message the author is trying to send. Which is silly. People don't think that Joss Whedon is a devout Christian (hint: he's an avowed atheist) because he wrote Captain America or Sheppard Book as one. So while there are many grounds on which you could fairly call Joss Whedon sexist, I don't see why he should be seen as sexist for writing Black Widow as someone with internalized misogyny and general self-loathing.

Granted, Endgame didn't help at all by having one of her reasons for suicide be that she doesn't have a family. Sure, "Hawkeye's kids need their dad" is a fairly compelling argument, but in that context it seemed a final confirmation that she was less valuable because she couldn't have children.

That's the tragedy of Natasha Romanoff. Despite everything she did to atone for her crimes, all the people she saved, all the people she loved, and who loved her, she died believing that her life was worth less, because she didn't have a family. Only she did. She had the Avengers, and she Clint's family too, which she was very much a part of.

And say what you will about Whedon (and I could write a long essay on his flaws), Whedon always recognized that the family you create is no less important or meaningful than the family you are born into.
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