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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2018-12-07 12:33pm

I see Hawkeye and Ant-Man (who somehow escaped the Quantum Realm) have both made a return. Seems like they'll be able to compensate for their absence last time around.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-12-07 12:44pm

Looks like the rumours of Clint using the Ronin name are true.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-12-07 05:08pm

Gonna call it: Carol is the one to pick up Tony and Nebula in space. I'd also lay odds on her having developed a bit of a drinking problem in the interim between the 90s and the present, which would give Tony a point of connection with her.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Solauren » 2018-12-07 08:49pm

Doesn't drop any hints on anything except the shock that Scott is alive.

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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by LadyTevar » 2018-12-07 09:58pm

Solauren wrote:
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Doesn't drop any hints on anything except the shock that Scott is alive.

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I KNOW! It's the perfect teaser, setting up JUST ENOUGH to make us want to know more, without being over-spoilery!
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Majin Gojira » 2018-12-08 10:47am

The tonal shift with Scott's arrival is absolutely perfect. It's all down and morose, and then Scott shows up and suddenly there's light, there's hope, and humor.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-12-08 12:37pm

Gandalf wrote:
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Avengers 4: Quest for the Greatest Deus Ex Machina Ever?
Well the last one was the search for the greatest Diabolocus Ex Machina ever, so it evens out.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-12-08 03:00pm

Unless they come up with something very unexpected or indirect, defeating Thanos comes down to a) sucker-punch one-shot him (basically only Thor or maybe Captain Marvel have the power to do this if they get the drop on him), b) get the Gauntlet off him somehow and use it to kill him, c) get instantly killed by him. Really the only ways this fight can go, given how powerful Gauntleted Thanos is.

Anyhoo, I like the teaser, though it isn't quite as powerful for me as Infinity War's was. I do think Tony is going to die in this film, and I think it makes dramatic and thematic sense for that to happen, but it ain't going to be dying in the vacume of space (how did he get off-world by the way?- did he build a spaceship in a cave with a box of scraps?). I wonder if Nebula is with him (Tony/Nebula shipper here btw).

Hawkeye and Antman are there, nice. I wonder if Hawkeye's family died in the finger-snap, and if that will be addressed. Lots of Natasha in the teaser. That's a plus.

I am curious as to how the ecosystem is remotely functioning if half of all life died. That's approaching Late Cretaceous levels of mass extinction. Not to mention the total breakdown of society. We should be looking at Mad Max Earth here, basically, outside of maybe Wakanda (which has the tech., leadership, and superhero support to maintain some order, I think, and is used to functioning in isolation from the rest of civilization).
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Civil War Man » 2018-12-08 05:03pm

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2018-12-08 03:00pm
a) sucker-punch one-shot him (basically only Thor or maybe Captain Marvel have the power to do this if they get the drop on him)
I 100% expect Banner's inability to Hulk out in Infinity War to be setting up a transformation into the Worldbreaker, so that's probably one other you can add to that list.

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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Dass.Kapital » 2018-12-08 05:53pm

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I am curious as to how the ecosystem is remotely functioning if half of all life died. That's approaching Late Cretaceous levels of mass extinction. Not to mention the total breakdown of society. We should be looking at Mad Max Earth here, basically, outside of maybe Wakanda (which has the tech., leadership, and superhero support to maintain some order, I think, and is used to functioning in isolation from the rest of civilization).
I don't quite think half of 'All life' has gone away.

I don't remember seeing any trees go all dustify at the end of the last movie. So... that's a kind of bonus.

Maybe there's a 'Sentience cap'?

*Shrug*

Just put it down to character hyperbole?
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-12-08 07:24pm

Civil War Man wrote:
2018-12-08 05:03pm
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2018-12-08 03:00pm
a) sucker-punch one-shot him (basically only Thor or maybe Captain Marvel have the power to do this if they get the drop on him)
I 100% expect Banner's inability to Hulk out in Infinity War to be setting up a transformation into the Worldbreaker, so that's probably one other you can add to that list.
Hmm, maybe.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by FaxModem1 » 2018-12-10 03:10pm

Civil War Man wrote:
2018-12-08 05:03pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-12-08 03:00pm
a) sucker-punch one-shot him (basically only Thor or maybe Captain Marvel have the power to do this if they get the drop on him)
I 100% expect Banner's inability to Hulk out in Infinity War to be setting up a transformation into the Worldbreaker, so that's probably one other you can add to that list.
Was that what was about? I just took it as Hulk being a wuss about losing a fight and refusing to come out in fear of losing again. :lol:
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-12-10 03:35pm

Civil War Man wrote:
2018-12-08 05:03pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-12-08 03:00pm
a) sucker-punch one-shot him (basically only Thor or maybe Captain Marvel have the power to do this if they get the drop on him)
I 100% expect Banner's inability to Hulk out in Infinity War to be setting up a transformation into the Worldbreaker, so that's probably one other you can add to that list.
I thought it was more about the Professor version.

Or at least what I've read the Professor was supposed to be pre-retcons which is a perfect blend of Hulk and banner. Banner intellect, hulk body. Then it because another of his split personalities.

For me a possible end point for MCU Banner would be to finally accept he and Hulk are not actually different people and he is hulk and gain full control over transformations/himself.

Then again Ragnarok made them much more separate people so who knows.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Ziggy Stardust » 2018-12-10 04:59pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-12-08 03:00pm
Unless they come up with something very unexpected or indirect, defeating Thanos comes down to a) sucker-punch one-shot him (basically only Thor or maybe Captain Marvel have the power to do this if they get the drop on him), b) get the Gauntlet off him somehow and use it to kill him, c) get instantly killed by him. Really the only ways this fight can go, given how powerful Gauntleted Thanos is.
I know essentially nothing about Marvel canon, being only familiar with the movies and a handful of half-remembered comics from when I was a kid, so I apologize ahead of time if I am way off base about this. But ... is the Gauntlet still functional? The movie ended pretty abruptly after Thanos used it, so maybe I'm reading too much into the visual effects, but it LOOKED to me like the Gauntlet was broken after Thanos triggered it? Unfortunately I can't seem to find the clip online in order to double-check.

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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

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Ziggy Stardust wrote:
2018-12-10 04:59pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-12-08 03:00pm
Unless they come up with something very unexpected or indirect, defeating Thanos comes down to a) sucker-punch one-shot him (basically only Thor or maybe Captain Marvel have the power to do this if they get the drop on him), b) get the Gauntlet off him somehow and use it to kill him, c) get instantly killed by him. Really the only ways this fight can go, given how powerful Gauntleted Thanos is.
I know essentially nothing about Marvel canon, being only familiar with the movies and a handful of half-remembered comics from when I was a kid, so I apologize ahead of time if I am way off base about this. But ... is the Gauntlet still functional? The movie ended pretty abruptly after Thanos used it, so maybe I'm reading too much into the visual effects, but it LOOKED to me like the Gauntlet was broken after Thanos triggered it? Unfortunately I can't seem to find the clip online in order to double-check.
Even if the Gauntlet is, as long as the stones are still intact, couldn't Thanos just get another one made if he wanted to.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Gandalf » 2018-12-10 05:05pm

It looked pretty beat up, but not necessarily broken. So I wager there's one big reset button level move left in it.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-12-10 05:24pm

Honestly I'm not sure the Gauntlet itself is even necessary; mostly the Stones just have to be held together in some fashion. 'Infinity Necklace' just doesn't sound as cool.

There's a nice bit of bookending-- Tony in a singlet on the Benatar looks a lot like Tony in a singlet in an Afghan cave. Gwyneth Paltrow also posted a photo of herself in what appears to be a purple version of the Iron Man suit, so that's very interesting.

In the original storyline, Nebula took advantage of Thanos leaving his body behind to go cosmic-god-mode, and pulled the Gauntlet off his hand. Reversal of the Finger-Snap (TM) ensued. Then she couldn't handle the power, shenanigans ensued, and Adam Warlock ended up with it.

Well, there's no Adam Warlock here, and with James Gunn and quite possibly several of the Guardians cast out, there's no indication the heavy hint dropped for Adam Warlock at the end of Guardians 2 is going to come to fruition. So I think we can pretty safely leave much of the original comic-book plot out, particularly with the introduction of Ant-Man and the Quantum Realm as new plot elements. The appearance of young Gamora in what may well be Soul-World is an interesting twist though.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-12-10 05:41pm

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Honestly I'm not sure the Gauntlet itself is even necessary; mostly the Stones just have to be held together in some fashion. 'Infinity Necklace' just doesn't sound as cool.

There's a nice bit of bookending-- Tony in a singlet on the Benatar looks a lot like Tony in a singlet in an Afghan cave. Gwyneth Paltrow also posted a photo of herself in what appears to be a purple version of the Iron Man suit, so that's very interesting.

In the original storyline, Nebula took advantage of Thanos leaving his body behind to go cosmic-god-mode, and pulled the Gauntlet off his hand. Reversal of the Finger-Snap (TM) ensued. Then she couldn't handle the power, shenanigans ensued, and Adam Warlock ended up with it.

Well, there's no Adam Warlock here, and with James Gunn and quite possibly several of the Guardians cast out, there's no indication the heavy hint dropped for Adam Warlock at the end of Guardians 2 is going to come to fruition. So I think we can pretty safely leave much of the original comic-book plot out, particularly with the introduction of Ant-Man and the Quantum Realm as new plot elements. The appearance of young Gamora in what may well be Soul-World is an interesting twist though.
I'd love it if Nebula got the Gauntlet and used it to kill Thanos and resurrect Gamora. But I think that we're probably going to get heroic sacrifice by Tony as our ending.

Pepper in a suite, huh... so I guess she made it through the Finger-snap. Nice.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

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I'd love it if Nebula got the Gauntlet and used it to kill Thanos and resurrect Gamora. But I think that we're probably going to get heroic sacrifice by Tony as our ending.

Pepper in a suite, huh... so I guess she made it through the Finger-snap. Nice.
Bear in mind that we don't know anything about the plot yet. The only thing we can probably guess with confidence is that Ant-Man and his powers (well, suit) may be linked to how everything is resolved. It may well be that Pepper in a suit happens -after- everything is tied off in a bow, as Tony Stark's successor or whatever after they restore everything to more or less normal. We'll see.

I still think Carol/Captain Marvel is likely to be the one who rescues Tony and Nebula. Can't imagine who else might be in space other than *perhaps* the Asgardian refugee ship Thor was on. The Guardians all went poof but Nebula, so they might be in Soul-World... or they might not be. Doctor Strange is also out of the picture, but I do find it rather interesting that the Quantum Realm rather resembles the various dimensions Strange passed through in the movie. Perhaps he flushed himself into a different dimension? There's also talk that Strange sabotaged the Time Stone before he gave it to Thanos. Don't know how credible that is, though.

Shuri also went poof (she's the face alongside Bucky), so she's out of the equation. Nobody is resurrecting Vision either, I don't think, unless the Wakandans figure that out. Don't recall if Scarlet Witch survived.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

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The Asgardian refugee ship was blown up by Thanos at the start of Infinity War. The Guardians' Ravager friends are one possibility that comes to mind, though.

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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-12-10 06:35pm

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The Asgardian refugee ship was blown up by Thanos at the start of Infinity War. The Guardians' Ravager friends are one possibility that comes to mind, though.

Scarlet Witch is dust in the wind.
Did he actually blow it up or did he just leave it? Oh, nah, he left Thor floating in space. Guess he did blow it up.

The Ravagers are possible, but Yondu was the Guardians' main tie to that faction, and he's gone. Still it's possible they could pick up Tony, particularly if the Benatar has some kind of distress signal.

Pretty sure it was said at some point that Thanos destroyed Xandar, so we probably can't expect the Nova Corps to make a reappearance, and Nova as a superhero is a bit too similar to Captain Marvel design-wise to have the two together onscreen. Quasar is probably not happening, he was linked IIRC to Ego the Living Planet, who is gone, and the Quantum Bands would just confuse people who are already grappling with the Quantum Realm. Hmmm... Silver Surfer is also not happening unless Marvel actually got the F4 rights back, which would also let them play with Galactus. The Cosmic Entities of Marvel probably aren't happening either other than MAYBE the Celestials, as those are some wacky characters/concepts.

Honestly? It wouldn't surprise me *hugely* if they just decide to pull out Adam Warlock at that point. He's flying around the galaxy trying to figure out who just destroyed half of his people, there's this little spaceship with two people on it in the middle of nowhere... but I'm pretty certain he's not going to be anywhere near as fundamental to the plot as he was in the comics, if they even bother with him.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Tribble » 2018-12-10 07:12pm

Of course, this could be part of Tony's final moments. .. but it's far more likely he gets rescued then dies later.
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Re: Avengers: Endgame First Trailer

Post by Deathstalker » 2018-12-10 08:30pm

It's a pretty good bet that Hawkeye becomes Ronin and comes out of retirement because his family was dusted.
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