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Texas school shooting happening now

Post by Crossroads Inc. » 2018-05-18 10:10am

Yup here we go again...
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/tex ... index.html

— A shooting has been reported at a high school in the southeastern Texas city of Santa Fe, officials said Friday.
A gunman walked into an art class at Santa Fe High School and began firing what looked like a shotgun, a witness told CNN affiliate KTRK.
The witness told KTRK she saw a girl shot in the leg.
Patients from the school are being taken to a hospital in the nearby city of Galveston, hospital spokesman Raul Reyes said. He did not say how many.
While a certain hope no one is killed and the shooter is brought to justice... all I can think about is that had this happened in a liberal state. The right would within 24 hours be crowing about how if only there were more guns at the school this wouldn’t have happened
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-18 10:16am

Instead, they'll be crowing about the lack of guns and the lack of prayer, as well as ineffectual law enforcement response.

Then, they'll get nasty.
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Post by Crossroads Inc. » 2018-05-18 12:08pm

Turns out I tangentially know one of the parents of one of the students at the school (NOT shot) Through a shared online chatroom.
All morning he was going crazy worried his kid was hurt, now that it is all over he's freaking out about just one thing:
"How did these kids get guns?"

This guy is an ok guy, but I know he is also a die hard NRA "from my cold dead hands" gun type, and he is finding it UNTHINKABLE how kids could have possibly got ahold of guns, stating the parents should be held personally responsible for every death at the school...
I find the response emblematic of the rights thoughts in general on the topic which is normally:
"GUNS! MORE GUNS! GUNS EVERYWHERE!"
followed by:
"How could this have possibly happened???"
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-18 01:08pm

At least he didn't go to the school with his dick a weapon in his pants and a flag in hand, chanting "Make America Great Again!" like some other asshole did.

Glad to hear his kid was all right. Maybe this scared some sense into him
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Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2018-05-18 05:19pm

Apparently this guy was wearing a "born to kill" t-shirt, and a witness was saying he would wear a trench coat despite the warm weather.
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Post by Elfdart » 2018-05-18 05:57pm

Lt Governor Dan Patrick says the schools need to be re-designed to allow only one exit because having more than one exit is to blame for this slaughter.

Apparently, Dan Patrick is a fan of canned hunts.
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Re: Texas school shooting happening now

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-05-18 06:02pm

Elfdart wrote:
2018-05-18 05:57pm
Lt Governor Dan Patrick says the schools need to be re-designed to allow only one exit because having more than one exit is to blame for this slaughter.

Apparently, Dan Patrick is a fan of canned hunts.
That is so fantastically stupid that, like the cuts to ebola treatment and firing the guy in charge of pandemics right as ebola is making a comeback, it honestly makes me wonder, just for a moment, if they are actually trying to maximize the number of deaths.
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At least he didn't go to the school with his dick a weapon in his pants and a flag in hand, chanting "Make America Great Again!" like some other asshole did.

Glad to hear his kid was all right. Maybe this scared some sense into him
Let me get this straight: someone heard there was a school shooting going on, and their first thought was "Hey, I'm going to go down with a WEAPON to an ACTIVE SHOOTING SCENE"? Or are you talking about someone doing it days or weeks later as a protest?

Because, even leaving aside the obvious sociopathy of someone who's that desperate to be the first to rub salt in the wounds of grieving families for their political agenda, any fucker stupid enough to do THAT is lucky the police didn't shoot him.

Or maybe not. Police tend to treat white conservatives with a lot more restraint than they do most other folks.
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Post by Broomstick » 2018-05-18 06:31pm

I give up. Nothing is going to change. The people in charge don't give a fuck and don't mind collateral damage.
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Post by Batman » 2018-05-18 06:48pm

They never did and never will. Problem is the people voting for them don't either as long as it's not their children
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Post by Zaune » 2018-05-18 06:57pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
2018-05-18 05:19pm
Apparently this guy was wearing a "born to kill" t-shirt, and a witness was saying he would wear a trench coat despite the warm weather.
I would laugh at the mental picture if ten people weren't dead. Seriously, could he possibly be any more of a stereotypical edgelord?
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-05-18 07:13pm

Broomstick wrote:
2018-05-18 06:31pm
I give up. Nothing is going to change. The people in charge don't give a fuck and don't mind collateral damage.
Everything changes. This will too. But it seldom happens quickly.

And by the time it does, a lot more innocent people will likely have died. And all that blood will be on the hands of the NRA and its allies.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:Let me get this straight: someone heard there was a school shooting going on, and their first thought was "Hey, I'm going to go down with a WEAPON to an ACTIVE SHOOTING SCENE"? Or are you talking about someone doing it days or weeks later as a protest?
A weapon, a flag, and a MAGA slogan. Yes, indeedy
A man holding a large American flag, carrying a gun, was at the scene of the Sante Fe High School shooting in Texas and said “Make America Great Again”.

He was speaking to local KHOU-TV reporters near the scene where Texas governor Greg Abbott said ten people have died, which ten others were injured. The man said he was there to “offer support” but it was unclear what kind of support he was offering by echoing US President Donald Trump’s now-famous slogan.

“‘God bless ya’ll’ will go a long way...right now,” the man said before walking away when it was clear he was openly carrying a pistol on his right hip, clipped to his shorts. An unidentified then appeared on camera, chastising the first man.
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Post by U.P. Cinnabar » 2018-05-18 07:18pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-05-18 07:13pm
Broomstick wrote:
2018-05-18 06:31pm
I give up. Nothing is going to change. The people in charge don't give a fuck and don't mind collateral damage.
Everything changes. This will too. But it seldom happens quickly.

And by the time it does, a lot more innocent people will likely have died. And all that blood will be on the hands of the NRA and its allies.
Everything changes. It's just been my experience that it changes for the worst.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-05-18 07:28pm

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:
2018-05-18 07:18pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-05-18 07:13pm
Broomstick wrote:
2018-05-18 06:31pm
I give up. Nothing is going to change. The people in charge don't give a fuck and don't mind collateral damage.
Everything changes. This will too. But it seldom happens quickly.

And by the time it does, a lot more innocent people will likely have died. And all that blood will be on the hands of the NRA and its allies.
Everything changes. It's just been my experience that it changes for the worst.
Its hard not to be cynical at times like this, but in a lot of measurable ways (life expectancy and infant mortality come immediately to mind), the world is objectively better now than it has been for most of human history.

But the thought that one day it will be better is small comfort to those suffering and dying now.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-05-18 07:34pm

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:
2018-05-18 07:16pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:Let me get this straight: someone heard there was a school shooting going on, and their first thought was "Hey, I'm going to go down with a WEAPON to an ACTIVE SHOOTING SCENE"? Or are you talking about someone doing it days or weeks later as a protest?
A weapon, a flag, and a MAGA slogan. Yes, indeedy
A man holding a large American flag, carrying a gun, was at the scene of the Sante Fe High School shooting in Texas and said “Make America Great Again”.

He was speaking to local KHOU-TV reporters near the scene where Texas governor Greg Abbott said ten people have died, which ten others were injured. The man said he was there to “offer support” but it was unclear what kind of support he was offering by echoing US President Donald Trump’s now-famous slogan.

“‘God bless ya’ll’ will go a long way...right now,” the man said before walking away when it was clear he was openly carrying a pistol on his right hip, clipped to his shorts. An unidentified then appeared on camera, chastising the first man.
I mean, I applaud police restraint, but in all seriousness- he walked into an active shooting scene carrying a gun and was allowed to just walk out? Not even stopped and questioned?

Oh, right. Conservative white guy in Texas.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: Oh, right. Conservative white guy in Texas.
Got it in one.
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Post by Tribble » 2018-05-19 12:42am

20 weeks, 22 school shootings. Kinda sad that gun violence in US schools is now a weekly feature.
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Broomstick wrote:
2018-05-18 06:31pm
I give up. Nothing is going to change. The people in charge don't give a fuck and don't mind collateral damage.
What were they supposed to do?
Pagourtzis is not known to have any criminal record, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott told reporters.

Officials have not released any information about motive.

Authorities found writings in the Texas shooting suspect's journals that indicated he wanted to take his own life, Abbott said.

There was information "contained in journals on his computer and his cell phone that he said that not only did he want to commit the shooting, but he wanted to commit suicide after the shooting," Abbott said.

"As you probably know, he gave himself up and admitted at the time he didn't have the courage to commit the suicide, that he wanted to take his own life earlier," Abbott said.

[...]

Abbott told reporters the alleged shooter used a shotgun and a revolver that were legally owned by his father.

The shooter was hiding a shotgun underneath such a coat on Friday morning when he walked onto the campus, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick said at news conference Friday afternoon.
Even the strongest gun control proposals short of "ban them all" wouldn't have helped here. No guns under 25? They weren't his. No semi-auto? They weren't.

No criminal record. No psych record. No reason to have the kid on a list beyond being an "edgy teen" and "really quiet", which would probably include a good chunk of the school population. It's not like he was carrying around a sign saying "I'm suicidal and want attention so badly I'll kill people to get it!"
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Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-05-19 08:25am

Wild Zontargs wrote:
2018-05-19 08:21am
Broomstick wrote:
2018-05-18 06:31pm
I give up. Nothing is going to change. The people in charge don't give a fuck and don't mind collateral damage.
What were they supposed to do?
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Post by Zaune » 2018-05-19 08:46am

Wild Zontargs wrote:
2018-05-19 08:21am
Even the strongest gun control proposals short of "ban them all" wouldn't have helped here. No guns under 25? They weren't his. No semi-auto? They weren't.

No criminal record. No psych record. No reason to have the kid on a list beyond being an "edgy teen" and "really quiet", which would probably include a good chunk of the school population. It's not like he was carrying around a sign saying "I'm suicidal and want attention so badly I'll kill people to get it!"
Sadly true. I'm sure local law-enforcement will have a few pointed words of advice for his dad about keeping his shotgun safely under lock and key, but I guess there's only so much you can do to legislate against carelessness.
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Post by Wild Zontargs » 2018-05-19 08:48am

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So we're going with the ever accurate Onion headline: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens?
No, I'm asking what people think would have prevented this shooting. If this shooting is proof that "[n]othing is going to change. The people in charge don't give a fuck and don't mind collateral damage" then what were they supposed to have done differently? Airport style controlled access and screening? Mandatory psych evals? Repeal the 2nd? What?
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Post by Zaune » 2018-05-19 08:59am

In this specific case, I would go with adding some language to the permit conditions requiring firearms owners to have adequately secure storage arrangements, and doing the occasional spot-check to make sure they're remembering to lock their weapons up when they're not in use. It's not a perfect solution by a long chalk but it's a step in the right direction.
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Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-05-19 09:06am

That plus better provision of mental health and counselling at schools. Or hell repeal the second sounds good albiet impossible to me as a brit.

Even conceding that this specific incident could not have been stopped that's hardly Broomsticks point. As She's happy to say, she's been around for a long while and we've all seen many of these incidents happen, there's nothing about this one incident that proves 'nothing will change' it's just its the latest in the long string of incidents where nothing has changed because they've not stopped happening.
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Post by Wild Zontargs » 2018-05-19 09:15am

Zaune wrote:
2018-05-19 08:59am
In this specific case, I would go with adding some language to the permit conditions requiring firearms owners to have adequately secure storage arrangements, and doing the occasional spot-check to make sure they're remembering to lock their weapons up when they're not in use. It's not a perfect solution by a long chalk but it's a step in the right direction.
Honest question, as I've not seen anything specific to this: do we know he didn't have them locked up? If (for whatever reason) he knew where the key was / what the combination was, he could have stolen them from secured storage just prior to the shooting. If the father made a good faith effort to secure the guns, I'm not sure we can expect much more.

If he didn't, yeah, that's just dumb. Secure storage is mandatory up here in Canuckistan.
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