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Battle of Cajamarca - Questioning Casualties

Posted: 2009-03-08 07:00pm
by Kitsune
This is the epic battle between the Inca and the Spanish.
According to Wiki, there was 6,000 to 7,000 Casualties with no Spanish Casualties except for an injury.
That is something like 30 kills for every single soldier. Even if unarmed, that seems kind of ludicrous. Cannons don't seem to even explain it very well.

In a National Geographic episode, there is the siege of Peru (Youtube of it) discussed. The Pizarro Chronicles talk about tens of thousands of attackers and completely downplay the other tribes as allies. As well, supposedly there was a great cavalry charge which turned the battles. Other sources indicate that there were only thousands of attackers and allies did the bulk of the fighting. This is also supported by the archaeology. Finally, there was really no effective cavalry charge with teh only attempt resulting in broken legs.

In another discussion (Yes, I am discussing it on a few different boards and not getting shot down over it), there is the idea that "So many Thousand" was apparently shorthand for "any large number" or "a lot." Also that very few people at the time had any conception of what a thousand was or were able to count that high.

Anyone else read anything which puts these numbers in question?

Re: Battle of Cajamarca - Questioning Casualties

Posted: 2009-03-09 04:01pm
by Vehrec
Well, Pizarro's own expedition accounts states that the Incas were mostly unarmed. 30-null kill ratios against an unarmed honor guard aren't really that impressive.

I'll grant you that Pizarro probably didn't have the ability or the inclination to account for all his enemies, but he was probably within an order of magnitude.

Re: Battle of Cajamarca - Questioning Casualties

Posted: 2009-03-10 01:51am
by Kitsune
Vehrec wrote:Well, Pizarro's own expedition accounts states that the Incas were mostly unarmed. 30-null kill ratios against an unarmed honor guard aren't really that impressive.
Are there any history examples which involve six thousand or seven thousand troops being killed (At a thirty to one soldier incident)?
If it was on a relatively small scale, I could believe it a lot more. There is a factor of scale here.
Vehrec wrote: I'll grant you that Pizarro probably didn't have the ability or the inclination to account for all his enemies, but he was probably within an order of magnitude.
An order of magnitude could mean a thousand troops and it would still fit. There is the suggestion by some that a lot of victims could have been trample deaths who basically trampled themselves to death in a panicking attempt to escape.

If we are talking about one or two thousand Inca killed through trample deaths and a few hundred killed by the Spanish, it has a completely different situation than what is described.

Re: Battle of Cajamarca - Questioning Casualties

Posted: 2009-03-10 10:30pm
by Thanas
If you already discuss the issue over at other boards, then why not either reveal the url or simply ask them?

Oh, and please learn some english. Jesus Christ, your posts are filled with mistakes.