Stukas VS Enterprise = Tie

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-03-21 04:01am

I'm buying it just to see someone's conception of a Nazi invasion of America, like I would immediately watch any movie with the same idea, no matter how unrealistic an invasion of America would have been.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEly8nXA6Oo

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2007-03-21 10:24am

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:Here's hoping to some realism. I loved Return to Castle Wolfenstein, but I'd prefer something of at least Call of Duty's level in terms of technical (if not historical, obviously) realism.

Seconded. I hope it's not a totally off the walls game just because there's Nazi ueber weapons of doom (weird new airplanes and attack blimps). If it were up to me, I'd make it like Red Orchestra...but then that would probably alienate many gamers. Therefore, I'd like to see at least a CoD-level gaming experience.

Bounty wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEly8nXA6Oo

Yeah, I already saw that from Enterprise...that was a funny two-parter...Nazi aliens! The new master race from space!

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2007-03-21 02:23pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:Here's hoping to some realism. I loved Return to Castle Wolfenstein, but I'd prefer something of at least Call of Duty's level in terms of technical (if not historical, obviously) realism.
Seconded. I hope it's not a totally off the walls game just because there's Nazi ueber weapons of doom (weird new airplanes and attack blimps). If it were up to me, I'd make it like Red Orchestra...but then that would probably alienate many gamers. Therefore, I'd like to see at least a CoD-level gaming experience.

Bounty wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEly8nXA6Oo
Yeah, I already saw that from Enterprise...that was a funny two-parter...Nazi aliens! The new master race from space!

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Wait... what? I always assumed they did an episode about a civilization with the same ideology, but you're telling me they nearly got same uniforms as well? Did they also have a german accent?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-03-21 02:28pm

Wait... what? I always assumed they did an episode about a civilization with the same ideology, but you're telling me they nearly got same uniforms as well? Did they also have a german accent?

*sigh* even worse...

This is from the start of season 4. A bunch of aliens needed a time machine to go back home but they didn't have the parts, so they sold some laser cannons or something to Hitler who took over America. Archer then leads a bunch of mobsters on a raid against the time machine construction site while the ship starts dogfighting Stuka's, there's a large explosion and everything returns to normal or something. The end.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2007-03-21 03:05pm

Bounty wrote:
Wait... what? I always assumed they did an episode about a civilization with the same ideology, but you're telling me they nearly got same uniforms as well? Did they also have a german accent?
*sigh* even worse...

This is from the start of season 4. A bunch of aliens needed a time machine to go back home but they didn't have the parts, so they sold some laser cannons or something to Hitler who took over America. Archer then leads a bunch of mobsters on a raid against the time machine construction site while the ship starts dogfighting Stuka's, there's a large explosion and everything returns to normal or something. The end.

That sounds like a bad LSD trip

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-03-21 03:08pm

Freedom Fighters did the idea and it was completely idiotic and poorly executed to boot

It may have been idiotic, but the game itself was awesome and the overall mood and attention to detail - in a campy, Invasion USA way - was great.

That sounds like a bad LSD trip

Yup. Berman and Braga thought it'd be real funny to end their last episode on a non-sequitur cliffhanger (Archer being woken up by an alien Nazi), and the writers ran with it and made it into a silly little evil alien time-travelling vampire Nazi from space!!! episode.

Reed talking about the Stuka's armament was hilarious.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-03-22 08:59am

That sounds like a bad LSD trip

Just in case you think I'm making this up.

Post by **weemadando** » 2007-03-22 09:03am

Bounty wrote:
That sounds like a bad LSD trip
Just in case you think I'm making this up.

You- That had to be- What- Surely that was edited- They can't be that-

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-03-22 09:34am

weemadando wrote:
Bounty wrote:
That sounds like a bad LSD trip
Just in case you think I'm making this up.
You- That had to be- What- Surely that was edited- They can't be that-

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

The very last bit with the Paramount logo was a quirk of Avidemux, but the rest is as it appears on the DVD.

CaptHawkeye · Post by **CaptHawkeye** » 2007-03-22 09:53am

Bounty wrote:
That sounds like a bad LSD trip
Just in case you think I'm making this up.

Holy christ. Stukas? Dogfighting the Enterprise? Thank god I stopped watching that show after episode 1.

BTW, did anyone else notice some of those camera angles during strafing seemed a lot like the TIE attack on the Millienium Falcon in ANH? Either that was an intentional homage or the writers are ripping better shit off again.

Teleros · Post by **Teleros** » 2007-03-22 11:14am

Holy christ. Stukas? Dogfighting the Enterprise? Thank god I stopped watching that show after episode 1.

Best bit from the clip was the Enterprise repeatedly missing the Stukas. Or did they throw in twenty-something century targeting jammers for the hell of it too

?

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2007-03-22 11:25am

Teleros wrote:
Holy christ. Stukas? Dogfighting the Enterprise? Thank god I stopped watching that show after episode 1.
Best bit from the clip was the Enterprise repeatedly missing the Stukas. Or did they throw in twenty-something century targeting jammers for the hell of it too ?

Why are dive bombers are being used as fighters?
Looks like Beavis and Butthead managed to fuck even this up.

FW-190's or even Me-110's would have been a better choice than fucking Stukas.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2007-03-22 11:40am

Teleros wrote:
Holy christ. Stukas? Dogfighting the Enterprise? Thank god I stopped watching that show after episode 1.
Best bit from the clip was the Enterprise repeatedly missing the Stukas. Or did they throw in twenty-something century targeting jammers for the hell of it too ?

I keep saying! The biggest problem with Star Trek is that no one can aim worth shit!

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2007-03-23 12:09am

Wow, this thread went TOTALLY off-topic.

Mein moderators!

(Clicks heels.)

Requesting thread clean-up!!!

Anyway, I wonder what kind of multiplayer it will have or if vehicles are driveable...it'd be great to get in some random car and do drive-bys with tommy guns on Nazi soldiers patrolling the streets to create civil unrest.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2007-03-28 08:56am

I keep meaning to split this topic and I just got around to it.

Anyway split from Here

Stuka VS Enterprise=Tie, that's all I can say.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-03-28 09:09am

To be fair, the Enterprise had been falling apart for half a season before that clip and Reed canonically messes his pants when he sees a gun or anything carrying/reminding him of one, so his aim would be off.

Kane Starkiller · Post by **Kane Starkiller** » 2007-03-28 10:13am

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
This is stupid beyond belief. Stuka's little green pew-pew lasers were a nice touch to complete the utter stupidity.
By the way remember how Trekkies always claimed that TIE's were no better than WW2 fighters? Who would've guessed that even if that was true they would STILL own the Starfleet.

Raesene · Post by **Raesene** » 2007-03-28 10:36am

Kane Starkiller wrote:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
This is stupid beyond belief. Stuka's little green pew-pew lasers were a nice touch to complete the utter stupidity.
By the way remember how Trekkies always claimed that TIE's were no better than WW2 fighters? Who would've guessed that even if that was true they would STILL own the Starfleet.

nice angle in the vs-debate.

Nobody onboard the Enterprise heard the term "orbital bombardment" before...

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-03-28 10:48am

Nobody onboard the Enterprise heard the term "orbital bombardment" before...

That was plan A, but -

T'POL: What's our repair status?
REED: Engines are at thirty six percent. Manoeuvring thrusters are offline.
T'POL: Weapons?
REED: The targeting array's fried. We'll be shooting in the dark.

And later:

T'POL: We're going to have to drop out of orbit to get close enough.

REED: One hundred kilometres. Targeting scanner still can't get a lock. I'm going to have to do this the old-fashioned way. Switching to visual scanners.
T'POL: Slow us down. Two hundred kph.
REED A group of aircraft are taking off from the base north of Manhattan. They're headed towards us.

Again, at this point the ship was barely flyable, let alone combat-ready.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-03-28 10:51am

It would've been neat to see the ship crash into Manhattan?

Given the damage the hopelessly inaccurate Stuka fire was doing, a few heavier AAA versions on the ground would have cut the Enterprise to shit. Why did they have to descent at all? I assume they were going to shoot the Fargate, but were they really so broken they couldn't shoot a stationary point from orbit? You can do that with a calculator.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2007-03-28 03:20pm

Bounty wrote:
That sounds like a bad LSD trip
Just in case you think I'm making this up.

....

I hate you.

LaserRifleofDoom · Post by **LaserRifleofDoom** » 2007-03-28 03:39pm

Could we rationalize the use of Stukas by saying that they were easier to fit with laser cannons? They were mounted on the external heavy weapon points.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2007-03-28 03:50pm

LaserRifleofDoom wrote:Could we rationalize the use of Stukas by saying that they were easier to fit with laser cannons? They were mounted on the external heavy weapon points.

Me-109's had the mount for the 20 mm cannon inside the prop. From the looks of the lasers on the Stukas, it would have fit there. Also I think that a better fighter to have in the clip would have been Me-262's after all they the most advanced fighters the Nazis had. The stuka was a dive bomber. You DO NOT send dive bombers out to attack an air threat.

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2007-03-28 06:01pm

Waaiiitttt....if the manuerving thrusters were offline and the engines were so crippled, how are they steering the ship like that?

Also, the phasers weren't even strong enough to get a complete kill on a Stuka. The one they did hit did the classic whirling into the ground while smoking. Would this mean that they're less powerful than a heavy AA gun?

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2007-03-28 06:18pm

LaserRifleofDoom wrote:
Could we rationalize the use of Stukas by saying that they were easier to fit with laser cannons? They were mounted on the external heavy weapon points.

Me-109's had the mount for the 20 mm cannon inside the prop. From the looks of the lasers on the Stukas, it would have fit there. Also I think that a better fighter to have in the clip would have been Me-262's after all they the most advanced fighters the Nazis had. The stuka was a dive bomber. You DO NOT send dive bombers out to attack an air threat.
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Actually I think those ME 110G Attack Planes or FW 190A-8 Serias should be fine for this, as they both mounted very heavy guns.