Enterprise D/E ???

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-07-29 06:53pm

I keep hearing people refering to the Enterprise-D or Ent.-E. Can someone please explain to me:

1)When these different shis appear

and

2)What is different about them.

Also if anyone can explain about any other Enterprises that would be useful

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-29 07:09pm

The Enterprise-D is the starship used for all of the television series, Star Trek: The Next Generation. It is a Galaxy Class starship, and was one of the most advanced SF designs at the time it was constructed at the Utopia Planetia Yards.

After the destruction of the Enterprise-D in the movie, Star Trek: Generations, the Enterprise-E was constructed. The Enterprise-E is a Sovereign class vessel that has several important technological upgrades over the Enterprise-D. It carries a turreted torpedo launcher that can fire quantum torpedoes, it has more powerful phasers and shields (speculative). It has done away with much of the diplomatic garb of the Enterprise-D, and is more of a military vessel. Plus it looks much cooler.

The Enterprise-D first appeared in Encounter at Farpoint, the first episode of TNG, and the Enterprise-E first appeared in the movie Star Trek: First Contact.

drifter god · Post by **drifter god** » 2002-07-29 07:11pm

dont you just love how everytime they get tired of the enterprise, they blow it up and build a new one

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-29 07:15pm

drifter god wrote:dont you just love how everytime they get tired of the enterprise, they blow it up and build a new one

It was nice with the Enterpises Nil and C, because they died cool deaths, worthy of the name Enterprise. Being decommissioned blows, as does dying in that weird nebula-type thing in ST: Generations. Come to think of it, I was PISSED that they killed the Enterprise-D the way they did. I thought that it sucked. When they blew up Babylon 5, I nearly cried at what had happened. The way the Enterprise-D was destroyed made me want to take a bathroom break in the middle of the movie. Hehehe, they killed more Enterprises in Star Trek: Generations. And they killed Kirk. Damn them.

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-07-29 07:21pm

The Enterprise-D (E-D) is the big fat cadillac pleasure cruiser seen in "The Next Generation" as Picard's ship and also in "Star Trek: Generations" where it is destroyed. The Enterprise-E is the sleek, Ferarri pleasure cruiser seen in "Star Trek: First Contact" and "Star Trek: Insurrection" and will be seen in "Star Trek: Nemesis."

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2002-07-29 07:23pm

Others covered things pretty well. For more info about other Enterprises, click: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/artic ... legacy.htm

Enterprise-D, the "flagship" of Starfleet, getting ass-raped by one lousy Bird of Prey... Besides, they even reused the footage of the BoP destruction from ST VI. A fight against an entire armadat of renegade of Klingon ships -- now that would've been awesome! Alas, it was not be that way.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-29 07:33pm

The Enterprise-B was a modified Excelsior-class ship that was seen in Star Trek Generations. It was destroyed in the prologue-type part of that same movie.

The Original Enterprise (which did not have a number, but whose registry was NCC-1701)was shown throughout Star Trek (the Original Series) and was commanded by Captain Kirk. It was a Constitution class vessel, which was an early SF design. Captain Kirk was forced to scuttle the ship to prevent its capture by the Klingons.

The Enterprise-A replaced the Original Enterprise. It was a modified Constitution class ship, and was decommissioned following the end of hostilities with the Klingon Empire following Star Trek VI (the movie tells you what will happen, but you don't see the process, or even Kirk ordering his ship into stardock to undergo decommissioning).

The Enterprise-C plays an important part in history, although we do not directly see it. In the timeline that we are seeing in Star Trek, a Klingon outpost was attacked by Romulan ships. The Enterprise-C (an Ambassador class ship, and presumably a precursor to the Galaxy class Enterprise-D) responded to their distress. When it did so, it also came under attack by several Romulan ships. The Enterprise-C then fled the battle through some sort of time-warping rift in space time, where it met an alternate-universe Enterprise-D, which was engaged with hostilities with the Klingons. In the alternate-universe, the Federation was staring defeat in the eye. The Galaxy class Enterprise-D and her crew helped repair the badly damaged Enterprise-C, but refused to provide it with heavy, modern weapons to avoid screwing with the timeline. While those weapons would have allowed the Enterprise-C to win its ongoing battle against the Romulans, they would have also seriously disrupted the history of the Alpha Quadrant. The Enterprises C and D then came under attack by a group of Klingon warbirds (remember the Federation and the Klingons are still at war, in this universe). The Enterprise-C, knowing that to stay and fight the Klingons was suicide, and knowing that they were destined for a suicide-mission on the other side of the rift, went back anyway to die against the Romulans. Apparently, the sacrifice of the Enterprise-C's crew impressed the Klingons, because in the real timeline the Federation and the Klingons did not fight a war at the time of the events depicted in Yesterday's Enterprise.

BTW, in an alternate timeline created by Q in the final episode of TNG, All Good Things, the Enterprise-D was not destroyed. Instead, the now Admiral William Riker saved the ship from being decommissioned by making it his flagship. In the alternate timeline, the Enterprise-D had undergone extensive refit and modifications. A third warp nacelle had been added between the two ones present in the original model, and a large weapon had been mounted below the saucer section. The Bridge had been modified, as well as the hull surrounding the bridge, but no one is able to figure out what exactly was added, there.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-29 07:35pm

Oberleutnant wrote:Others covered things pretty well. For more info about other Enterprises, click: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/artic ... legacy.htm

Enterprise-D, the "flagship" of Starfleet, getting ass-raped by one lousy Bird of Prey... Besides, they even reused the footage of the BoP destruction from ST VI. A fight against an entire armadat of renegade of Klingon ships -- now that would've been awesome! Alas, it was not be that way.

I agree, the Enterprise-D should have died a glorious death which would have been sung about in Stovakore (spelling butchered). It should have died as it served, not by some shitty BoP that knew of its Achilles Heel.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2002-07-29 07:49pm

E-D was supposed to be one of the biggest, meanest starships in the Alpha Quadrant. Why not simply blast an entire broadside of phasers and torpedoes at the frickin' BoP, instead of running away and in the same time revealing the entire engineering sector and warp nacelles to your enemy? Shielded or not, Dursa sisters would've been blown to atoms.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-29 08:32pm

The E-B was destroyed by its run in with the Nexus?

You sure they didnt repair it?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-29 08:34pm

Oberleutnant wrote:E-D was supposed to be one of the biggest, meanest starships in the Alpha Quadrant. Why not simply blast an entire broadside of phasers and torpedoes at the frickin' BoP, instead of running away and in the same time revealing the entire engineering sector and warp nacelles to your enemy? Shielded or not, Dursa sisters would've been blown to atoms.

Because Riker is an idiot.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-29 08:44pm

SirNitram wrote:
Oberleutnant wrote:E-D was supposed to be one of the biggest, meanest starships in the Alpha Quadrant. Why not simply blast an entire broadside of phasers and torpedoes at the frickin' BoP, instead of running away and in the same time revealing the entire engineering sector and warp nacelles to your enemy? Shielded or not, Dursa sisters would've been blown to atoms.
Because Riker is an idiot.

That is the canon explanation.....

However, in reality it is because B&B are idiots......in fact they are worse......

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-29 08:53pm

But the Riker is an idiot theory explains what we saw.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-07-29 09:32pm

Master of Ossus wrote:But the Riker is an idiot theory explains what we saw.

Oh I know...I just have a hate towards B&B, so I was obligated to mention it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-29 09:36pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:But the Riker is an idiot theory explains what we saw.
Oh I know...I just have a hate towards B&B, so I was obligated to mention it.

We understand. I too, know the pain of their establishing prequels to TOS without researching it. We all must suffer equally as the Trek franchise is utterly demolished by their non-canon respecting pens.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-29 10:17pm

Does anyone still watch Enterprise?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-29 10:19pm

It's ratings are still okay, but no, I don't watch it, and I have yet to talk to someone who does so on a regular basis. Now B&B can do whatever they want and no one will care because all of the original Trekkies have quit the show. Perhaps that was their plan all along.

Then again, for that to work, we would have to believe that B&B are capable of thinking about how their actions have consequences for other people. That appears to be beyond them.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-30 08:06pm

Picard says to Kirk: You drive that old busted joint, I drive the new hotness.

[points at the original Enterprise] Old and busted, [points at E-E] new hotness.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-07-30 08:17pm

*Kirk promptly racks picard, Federation starts winning battles*

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-07-30 11:38pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Picard says to Kirk: You drive that old busted joint, I drive the new hotness.

[points at the original Enterprise] Old and busted, [points at E-E] new hotness.

Kirk, pointing to a flashing red light, replies: "isn't your warp core about to explode?"

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-07-31 12:20am

Master of Ossus wrote:It's ratings are still okay, but no, I don't watch it, and I have yet to talk to someone who does so on a regular basis. Now B&B can do whatever they want and no one will care because all of the original Trekkies have quit the show. Perhaps that was their plan all along.

Then again, for that to work, we would have to believe that B&B are capable of thinking about how their actions have consequences for other people. That appears to be beyond them.

That might actually make sense. According to their marketing-school logic, it would be more profitable to expand the show to a wider (read: braindead, boob-watching, CGI-loving) audience rather than the Trekkies (read: dedicated core audience that sustained the series through its darkest hours.) They will pay for their lack of vision. Greedy bastards, fools to the last.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-31 12:25am

Doomriser wrote: (read: braindead, boob-watching, CGI-loving)

There's nothing wrong with that.

But you're right, the series will fail if their marketing scheme continues. Maybe it was better if we had had a SF Academy series. Maybe it could have been like a hybrid between MASH and Police Academy. Only funnier than the second one, and with more starships.

And maybe B&B should take their new "non-canon canon" and shove it up their @$$$.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-07-31 12:30am

Doomriser wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:It's ratings are still okay, but no, I don't watch it, and I have yet to talk to someone who does so on a regular basis. Now B&B can do whatever they want and no one will care because all of the original Trekkies have quit the show. Perhaps that was their plan all along.

Then again, for that to work, we would have to believe that B&B are capable of thinking about how their actions have consequences for other people. That appears to be beyond them.
That might actually make sense. According to their marketing-school logic, it would be more profitable to expand the show to a wider (read: braindead, boob-watching, CGI-loving) audience rather than the Trekkies (read: dedicated core audience that sustained the series through its darkest hours.) They will pay for their lack of vision. Greedy bastards, fools to the last.

B&B have earned my eternal hatred for what they have done to this wonderful franchise. They have started a disturbing trend in sci fi shows of pandering to the lowest common denominator. Look at Andromeda, in my opinion one of the best written sci fi shows since B-5 (whoch occupies the very TOP in my opinion) UNTIL they fired the head writer and Kevin Sorbo took a greater role in crafting the stories....ALWAYS a BAD idea. Now Andromeda is as unwatchable as Enterrpise because now in Sorbo's words: they've gotten rid of pesky contuinity in order to attract more viewers, added more action and sex and toned down the cerebral stories....UGH!!

With that, Andromeda died.....

Imagine if they had done that to B-5?? The future of quality Sci-fi shows is in danger thanks to the brain damaged majority looking for something "kewl" to watch.

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-07-31 12:45am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Does anyone still watch Enterprise?

I do. It's nice that Enterprise does something that they didn't do in Voyager: explore.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-31 12:51am

You're right, Stravo. It's despicable what they do to television shows, these days. Just eliminate the writer, and you can have the crew doing whatever moronic seventh-graders want them to do! And you can blow more things up, and all you have to do is sacrifice the intelligent viewer!

I hate producers. And I HATE B&B.