A little epilogue to the tale of sadness... (DarkStar)

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2002-07-26 07:02pm

Appearantly, DarkStar fled the Imperial Smack Down and has run to Spacebattles.com to get sympathy there and posting his same tired Mike-Assaulting arguments.
http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/showt ... adid=32790

PS: Have you noticed that Imperial Smack Down and Imperial Stardestroyer both have the initials ISD. I just noticed that. Clever.

ZOmegaZ · Post by **ZOmegaZ** » 2002-07-26 08:12pm

Careful about insulting DarkStar. He'll say that you're all a bunch of gays and lesbians. He did that at Flare, and it destroyed our self-image. Destroyed. It.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-07-26 08:19pm

It's always a sign of a troll of an idiot when somebody proposes an argument, has it shot down in flames, and then takes the same argument somewhere else in search of a more receptive audience rather than retooling or considering the possibility that he was wrong.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » 2002-07-26 08:31pm

1. An argument that has survived unscathed here might be of interest to the Spacebattlers. I figured some of them might have a use for it, and I hoped to see if there were better counterarguments that could be used against it... the ones here were laughable.

2. I am only DarkStar on ASVS, SD.Net, and Spacebattles. I don't go to Flare.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-26 08:33pm

Wah wah wah, I don't like Star Wars, wah wah wah, everything I think must be Canon, wah wah wah.

We've heard enough Dark Star. Go play on SB if you don't like it here.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-07-26 08:55pm

I thought this guy was banned?

Cyaround,
Jason
P.S.- Spacebattles has a buncha idiots...couldn't explain to be jack about what is what. They just go...."It's b/c it IS."

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-26 09:16pm

DarkStar wrote:1. An argument that has survived unscathed here might be of interest to the Spacebattlers. I figured some of them might have a use for it, and I hoped to see if there were better counterarguments that could be used against it... the ones here were laughable.

2. I am only DarkStar on ASVS, SD.Net, and Spacebattles. I don't go to Flare.

That argument has NOT survived unscathed here, DumbShit. First of all, your scaling is incorrect. We know exactly how big an A-Wing is, and from scaling the scene in RotJ when the A-Wings destroy a sensor dome, we can properly scale both the dome and the asteroid. Your calculations are CLEARLY erroneous there.

Your asteroid density is far too small, and your volume for the Jem'Hadar fighter was FAR too large.

Perhaps we should call you DimwittedStar in the future, moron. Not only were you stupid enough to propose such ludicrous calculations in the first place, but now we see that you were too stupid to even recognize the fact that nearly every one of your points was utterly obliviated by both Darth Wong and other posters. You then (in the thread here) REPEATED your estimates without changing them at ALL to account for the evidence (facts) that we presented you with that clearly demonstrated that your original estimates are flawed. From my own examinations of both scenes, I have found that Wong's calculations were actually very GENEROUS to the ST side, because they gave the Odyssey the benefit of the doubt, and slightly UNDERVALUED the volume of the asteroid. They can CLEARLY set both upper and lower limits.

BTW, do you even know which part of a GCS is designated the primary hull, DumbShit?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-26 09:18pm

Soontir C'boath wrote:I thought this guy was banned?

Cyaround,
Jason
P.S.- Spacebattles has a buncha idiots...couldn't explain to be jack about what is what. They just go...."It's b/c it IS."

So far we have only banned two people to my knowledge. The first was a Sith troll who was banned before I joined. The second was John Clark, who was banned for both incredible stupidity and the fact that he repeatedly posted other people's posts after messing up their grammar using an online translator. He made ME look like I had the grammar of someone who just started speaking English a few days ago! And his spelling was even wrong!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-07-26 09:18pm

Soontir C'boath wrote:I thought this guy was banned?

No, I didn't ban him. He may believe that all of his arguments are so profoundly superior that they survived "unscathed", but we all know perfectly well that he has simply made an ass out of himself, and he now stands as an object lesson in how irrational someone has to be in order to believe that ST can beat SW.

Smarter Trekkies just try to reduce the magnitude of the victory slightly or attack areas with more ambiguity, like "is the Federation fascist". Morons like Darkstar make up imaginary observations, mutilate science, nitpick unrelentingly, commit all manner of ad hominem fallacies, etc. They are only "successful" to the extent that people who are just as stupid as they are might be amenable to their arguments.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-26 09:19pm

I don't think that he should be banned. We let JC get away with a lot more. Unless his trollish behavior escalates, I don't think we have a case against him.

Besides, it's funny when he thinks he's right.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » 2002-07-26 09:30pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
DarkStar wrote:1. An argument that has survived unscathed here might be of interest to the Spacebattlers. I figured some of them might have a use for it, and I hoped to see if there were better counterarguments that could be used against it... the ones here were laughable.

2. I am only DarkStar on ASVS, SD.Net, and Spacebattles. I don't go to Flare.
That argument has NOT survived unscathed here, DumbShit. First of all, your scaling is incorrect. We know exactly how big an A-Wing is, and from scaling the scene in RotJ when the A-Wings destroy a sensor dome, we can properly scale both the dome and the asteroid. Your calculations are CLEARLY erroneous there.

This is the first time I've seen this claim. However, given that we also know the size of the ISD-II and the proportions, your point is moot.

Your asteroid density is far too small,

Nope. I've used a fair average, given what we know about our own asteroids and what we know of the asteroids at Hoth.

and your volume for the Jem'Hadar fighter was FAR too large.

Wow. How many times do I have to tell you that those were Wong's figures?

Not only were you stupid enough to propose such ludicrous calculations in the first place, but now we see that you were too stupid to even recognize the fact that nearly every one of your points was utterly obliviated by both Darth Wong and other posters.

You have attempted to show that none of this is true, but you have not been successful in the slightest. I'm curious to know what you're counting as the devastating proof that what I said was untrue ... maybe the reading off of degrees as density? Perhaps a lone, unsupported data point off of a scan-job of horrible quality from the website of a very odd person? Or maybe the straw man? Hey, maybe it's the idea that a muted gray asteroid is magically rusty-red, and thus M-type? Oooh, ooh, I know! The proof must be the statements in your official texts which describe the collision as occuring between two planets, leaving a few nickel-iron asteroids, with the majority being boulders and rocky asteroids! Yes, yes, clearly this makes any asteroid we are interested in a lump of solid iron fresh out of the foundry!

You then (in the thread here) REPEATED your estimates without changing them at ALL to account for the evidence (facts) that we presented you with that clearly demonstrated that your original estimates are flawed.

I had no reason to change perfectly acceptable figures. The fact that you don't like something is insufficient reason for me to change my mind about it.

BTW, do you even know which part of a GCS is designated the primary hull, DumbShit?

The saucer section, idiot.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » 2002-07-26 09:43pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Soontir C'boath wrote:I thought this guy was banned?
No, I didn't ban him. He may believe that all of his arguments are so profoundly superior that they survived "unscathed", but we all know perfectly well that he has simply made an ass out of himself, and he now stands as an object lesson in how irrational someone has to be in order to believe that ST can beat SW.

Hey, it's all up to you. Disproving my arguments would be a simple thing... just use evidence, reason, and fact, and I'll back down from any argument I make. Unlike warsies, though, I don't believe a person should back down just because a lot of invalid counterarguments are suggested, or because a person is yelled at and insulted, nor do I think that simply because many people have opinions contrary to my arguments, my arguments are wrong.

The truth is not democratic.

Smarter Trekkies just try to reduce the magnitude of the victory slightly or attack areas with more ambiguity, like "is the Federation fascist". Morons like Darkstar make up imaginary observations,

Imaginary? Everything is right there for you to see. Just because you've chosen to ignore things does not make everyone else's imagination somehow more vivid.

mutilate science,

...spoken by the person who ignores science and the scientific method if it disagrees with his preferential bias...

nitpick unrelentingly,

Errors and lies must be challenged.

commit all manner of ad hominem fallacies,

What, like claiming that your self-proclaimed propaganda site is biased?

etc. They are only "successful" to the extent that people who are just as stupid as they are might be amenable to their arguments.

Oh, yes, heaven forbid that people see a more intelligent commentary than yours. The horror, the horror!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-26 11:13pm

DarkStar, you claim that you would back down if we showed you that your arguments suck, but you haven't. You attacked Darth Wong's numbers. We defended them. We won the debate, because your interpretations/numbers were TERRIBLE. You selectively disregard evidence that doesn't fit with your cause, and you ignore both official and sometimes canon facts that we present you with.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » 2002-07-26 11:30pm

Master of Ossus wrote:DarkStar, you claim that you would back down if we showed you that your arguments suck, but you haven't.

Quite correct, because my arguments have not been shown to suck. Oh, it has been claimed, but labels do not make arguments.

You attacked Darth Wong's numbers. We defended them.

...badly.

We won the debate, because your interpretations/numbers were TERRIBLE.

Riiiight. You're the one who still doesn't realize that those were Wong's "TERRIBLE" numbers.

You selectively disregard evidence that doesn't fit with your cause, and you ignore both official and sometimes canon facts that we present you with.

I disregard no evidence... I simply do not treat evidence as cavalierly as you do.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-07-26 11:42pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Soontir C'boath wrote:I thought this guy was banned?
No, I didn't ban him. He may believe that all of his arguments are so profoundly superior that they survived "unscathed", but we all know perfectly well that he has simply made an ass out of himself, and he now stands as an object lesson in how irrational someone has to be in order to believe that ST can beat SW.

Smarter Trekkies just try to reduce the magnitude of the victory slightly or attack areas with more ambiguity, like "is the Federation fascist". Morons like Darkstar make up imaginary observations, mutilate science, nitpick unrelentingly, commit all manner of ad hominem fallacies, etc. They are only "successful" to the extent that people who are just as stupid as they are might be amenable to their arguments.

Ok...they all look the same.....though.

Cyaround,
Jason

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-07-26 11:45pm

DarkStar wrote:
I disregard no evidence... I simply do not treat evidence as cavalierly as you do.

Soo ummmm how do you treat evidence?

Cyaround,
Jason

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-26 11:49pm

Sooooo... perhaps you would be willing to explain why you stated that TIE fighters were vaporized by collisions with asteroids, in spite of the fact that nothing like that ever happened? THAT'S why I said that you disregarded evidence.