Slow warp drive

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-07-25 11:10pm

Wanna see how slow warp drive is compared to hyperdrive?

Lets say a warp 9 capable vessel wants to move 100 light years. It has a constant velocity of 1516c.
So: we take the distance, and devide it by how fast you are going in multiples of c.

100/1516=.065
take that number, and multiply it times 365, for how many days in a year

.065x365=23.725 So, a little over 3 weeks.

Now, lets say the same for hyperdrive, the hyperdriven vessel keeps a constant velocity of 10000000c (which is a lower number than some of the estimates)

100/10000000=.00001

.00001x365=.00365

Now, take that number and multiply it by 24, for how many hours in a day

.00365x24=.0876

We are down to calculating minutes, lol. Take that number, and multiply it x 60, for how many minutes in an hour.

.0876x60=5.25

So, if my math is correct, it would take a hyperdrive capable vessel only 5 minutes to cross 100 light years, while a fast ST ship would take over 3 weeks.

If my math is wrong, by all means, correct my error!
Thanks!

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-07-26 08:31am

ST versus SW. Thread moved.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-26 09:34am

Think thats bad, in broken bow their science consultants are so feeble that they say warp 5 is earth to neptune in six minutes.

1 AU is seven light seconds, give or take...
at its furthest orbit neptune is about 3 - 4 AU from earth.
therefore warp 5 is far slower than the speed of light.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-07-26 10:09am

NecronLord wrote:Think thats bad, in broken bow their science consultants are so feeble that they say warp 5 is earth to neptune in six minutes.

1 AU is seven light seconds, give or take...
at its furthest orbit neptune is about 3 - 4 AU from earth.
therefore warp 5 is far slower than the speed of light.

No they say Earth to Neptune and back in six minutes.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-26 10:43am

ok, still slower than C

buzz_knox · Post by **buzz_knox** » 2002-07-26 10:52am

1 AU is 93 million miles, the average distance of the Earth from the Sun. Light moves at 186,000 mps. So, light takes approximately 8 minutes to cover 1 AU. And Neptune is a bit more than 3-4 AUs from Earth, say around 29 AUs, given that it's orbits the Sun about 2.8 billion miles out. So six minutes to Neptune and back is considerably faster than c.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-26 11:01am

About 50 C IIRC

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-26 03:09pm

An AU is 93 million miles, and Neptune is billions of miles away from earth. Still, hyperdrive is far faster than warp drive, and it is a huge advantage for the Empire.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-07-26 04:33pm

In "All Good Things" after the Galaxy.X had destroyed the klingon Vodeon(sp?) cruiser and the second cruiser was fleeing away from Enterprise, in 30 seconds the second klingon cruiser was half a lightyear away. Very impressive even to ST standards.

The only FTL in ST that is superior to Hyperdrive is transwarp drive.

To bad they stopped with the transwarp project after the failure of the Excelsior.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-07-26 04:46pm

Um, transwarp still doesn't compare to hyperdrive. Hyperdrive is often several million c.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-26 05:03pm

Going from the transwarp conduit shown in Descent part 1 - the approx speed is 2.6E8 C so thats not a bad speed.

Of course the conduit must be constructed first(im not sure on how long it takes etc), however its still up there with hyperdrive(prehaps faster).

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-07-30 10:13am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Um, transwarp still doesn't compare to hyperdrive. Hyperdrive is often several million c.

Have you even seen ST Voyager Endgame? Voyager traveled 30,000 lightyears in matter of minutes through a Borg transwarp conduit. Much faster than any SW hyperdrive speed.
Even the Voth transwarp is faster the hyperdrive, after they could cover a distance of 90 lighyears in few seconds behind Voyager despite she was traveling at warp 6.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-30 08:00pm

Have you even seen ST Voyager Endgame? Voyager traveled 30,000 lightyears in matter of minutes through a Borg transwarp conduit. Much faster than any SW hyperdrive speed.

Indeed. However, it appears that transwarp without a conduit is far slower than transwarp with the conduit. Although there is contradicting information in that regard....

In any case, it seems that transwarp simply has a higher max threshold than normal warp.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-30 08:05pm

That would make sense. Next up, let's calculate how long Voyager would have taken to make it back to the AQ if it had been equipped with a hyperdrive.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-30 08:13pm

Master of Ossus wrote:That would make sense. Next up, let's calculate how long Voyager would have taken to make it back to the AQ if it had been equipped with a hyperdrive.

If Maul traveled 30 k ly in 12 hours (low end calcs) less then 3 days.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-07-31 04:33am

SPOOFE wrote:Indeed. However, it appears that transwarp without a conduit is far slower than transwarp with the conduit. Although there is contradicting information in that regard....

In any case, it seems that transwarp simply has a higher max threshold than normal warp.

One race developes one drive that can go extremely fast and calls it transwarp, while another race developes another type of drive and calling it transwarp that goes even faster doesn't say anything. Totaly two different tech.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-31 05:05am

Indeed. We've seen numerous different sources of "transwarp" throughout Voyager's run. Perhaps "transwarp" is just a generic term, essentially meaning "A method of FTL that is superior to conventional warp"? If that were the case, then even Hyperdrive would be a form of transwarp.

Look at the differences. At first, we see transwarp that functions just like a faster version of warp. Then we're introduced to the likes of "Quantum Slipstream", which, despite the pretty new name, does pretty much the same thing transwarp does. Then after that, we see "transwarp hubs".

Holy hell, how many different ways of outrunning a photon do these fools have, anyway?

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2002-07-31 05:23am

Actually, you may be on to something.

Voyager, awful as it was, stands as canon. Therefore it is canon that conventional warp drives are limited by the warp 10 barrier. Any ship that goes at warp 10 becomes simultaneously present everywhere in the universe, after which the ship's passengers and crew turn into giant slime-covered salamanders, withdraw to a primeval world, and then make mad, passionate salamander love. Obviously, that makes travel at warp 10 somewhat unpopular.

Transwarp drives obviously bypass that limitation, much as a warp drive bypasses the problems inherent in travel at or near the speed of light. Therefore, transwarp may be the standard term for any warp-drive-like means of bypassing the warp 10 barrier.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-07-31 06:54am

SPOOFE wrote:Indeed. We've seen numerous different sources of "transwarp" throughout Voyager's run. Perhaps "transwarp" is just a generic term, essentially meaning "A method of FTL that is superior to conventional warp"? If that were the case, then even Hyperdrive would be a form of transwarp.

Look at the differences. At first, we see transwarp that functions just like a faster version of warp. Then we're introduced to the likes of "Quantum Slipstream", which, despite the pretty new name, does pretty much the same thing transwarp does. Then after that, we see "transwarp hubs".

Holy hell, how many different ways of outrunning a photon do these fools have, anyway?

I believe the QS drive speed was only around 300 lightyears per hour, or was it days?

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-08-03 05:54pm

Actually, in the episode "All Good Things", after hearing that warp 13 stuff, i assumed that starfleet had gone back to the TOS scale, warp 15 being the warp threshold barrier. The Feddies probably upped their warp speed ability.
Whats easier, "Set a course and engage at warp 9.997", or "Engage at Warp 13" The TOS scale makes things a lot easier.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-08-03 05:56pm

So, Starfleet still uses conventional warp drive in the future, contrary to what some starry-eyed trekkies believe.