Empire Hated? Pah

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-20 12:52pm

Having seen this post i feel the need to launch into a rant about imperial and Fed Politics;

TheDarkling
Jedi Knight
The empire isnt beloved its hated, the federation is beloved and thus sice imps already have problems on the home front they will remain.

You speak of current humans not ST humans, hmm an empire where people can be enslaved and crime is rampant or a democrarcy wher I am free - which would you choose? not that it matters because we know which one the feds would choose.

Firstly The Empire is hated?
There are numerous examples of empire hating in the canon films, Firstly We have various rebelys who "Don't love the empire" but instead "Hate it"

Next we have the end of ROTJ SE with vaious groups celebrating the death of the empire

-Endor
No brainer, these are the rebels and a bunch of ewoks

-Tatooine
They Probably disliked the empire because it curtailed their Criminality

-Bespin
Recently taken over by the empire, populance probably not keen on it.

-Corucant
This is probably harder to rationalise, but not impossible
Only about two thousand people [rough guess] are shown rioting here, on a planet with billions. They may well be a disgruntled minority.

On a normal imperial planet [Ref. Truce at bakura] the rebels are viewed with hatred and suspision and there is only a small group of malcontents.

Next we shall examine how beloved the Federation is.

Who are the people who love the Federation?
Starfleet officers

Who are the people who have an apparenton space transport in the tng era federation?
Starfleet officers

Who are the people who benefit from the Federation?
Yup Starfleet officers

It should also be noted the Federation also has slaves
In an episode of Voyager all the EMH mark 1's the federation no longer wants are used for slave labour in dilitium mines,

As a side note back in the days of TOS three people could man a fully automated dilitium mine, clearly the federation has lost some of its scruples

And on the subject of crime it should be noted the Feds turn a blind eye to having an illegal arms dealer on their station (quark in ds9) all except Odo who is not actually a fed.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-20 12:59pm

Hey man. Why ya gotta be a Vader-hater?

(Couldn't help it.)

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-20 01:01pm

Hey Arms Dealers are cool
Even better when its illegle
I'd love to have one set up shop near-by

I think your not gonna like the poll results
Somone who will sell me the Kill-0 Zap 5000 cheap and tax free VS
Somone who will steal my wallet
Obviously I'm gonna not like the wallet stealing guy

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-20 01:19pm

I never said arms dealers aren't cool, With hindsight i should have said is

They tolerate QUARK!!!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-20 01:20pm

besides, he sells really shoddy ferengi weapons

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-20 01:43pm

Coruscant was the Imperial center, and the place of protest was jam-packed, so I'm assuming the citizens of Coruscant had something against the Emperor.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-20 02:31pm

Yeah, but its the Imperial palace, where else are all the malcontents going to go to gloat over his downfall?

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-07-20 02:45pm

Those celebrators on Coruscant were probably all shot after the legions of stormies finally got there.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-20 02:49pm

Acutal they where if you read the X-Wing series, At first everyone went nuts then the Stomries arrived and shot them down(Its mentioned in Solo Command I think)

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-20 02:49pm

Yip, though you do see them throw at least one stormie off a balcony

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-07-20 02:51pm

HEH, he probably thought corucant was an easy assignment too...

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-07-20 02:52pm

It's mentioned in X-wing: Iron Fist. Castin Donn was one of a team of slicers on Coruscant that helped broadcast the defeat. He says that the stormies turned up just after the statue of the EMp. had been torn down, and they pretty much slaughtered every1.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-07-20 02:52pm

poor stormie, (sniff)

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-07-20 05:17pm

The empire made extensive use of propaganda to help keep citizens onside, similar to Nazi Germany I guess. The museum on Coruscant seen in Wedge's Gamble illustrates this.

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-07-20 05:31pm

Hate the Empire?

We all love the Empire!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-20 05:34pm

*Holding said book in his hand

Good point I total forgot about that, The popluation of Courscant is doing its best to ignore the one so to speak, Corran comments on it a few times everyone is trying to pretend nothing out of the ordinary is happing and I'm guessing in 1943 Berlin people did much the same thing

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-20 09:48pm

The arms dealing shop wasn't actually illegal, at least according to the letter of the law. No weapons were actually changing hands in the Bajoran system, if they were then it would violate local laws and the Federation could so something about it, but unless there were actual weapons around their hands were tied. They weren't happy about it, and they sure as hell didn't turn a blind eye to it, but there simply wasn't anything they could do. As for Quark, Odo kept him check and they never really could gather the evidence to put him behind a force field.

On at least one occassion I think they did have the evidence, but it was for something minor so he just spent a few weeks in the brig although this is just from memory, so I might be mistaken.

Lusankya · Post by **Lusankya** » 2002-07-21 12:07pm

I seem to recall someone in the X-Wing series visiting the museum. From what I remember, it was just anti-imperial propaganda. Sure Gavin or whoever it was didn't think it was too, bad, but the description of the exhibit showed otherwise, at leas in my mind.

I'll have a check for a proper reference.

But it does show that hatred of the Empire was aided by the new regime.

It definitely wasn't universally hated - in Hand of Thrawn, Pellaeon seemed convinced that some systems in the New Republic would be keen on returning to the Empire. That I'm sure of.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-21 05:56pm

The Empire kept the peace.

General G · Post by **General G** » 2002-07-21 09:00pm

Peace is good. So is a goverment that can protect its planets from hostile aliens. (VONG)

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-21 09:44pm

A strong military force was enough to prevent uprisings, and prevent war (With the exception of the Rebellion).

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-21 09:46pm

A strong Military force was enough to prevent uprisings apart from that one that caused the entire empire to collapse.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-07-23 03:41am

again, due to the emperor's arrogance far more then the imperial fleet's quality.

I personally like the empire. it's pro human (yay!) and most definatly keeps the peace. I would be surprised if space faring humanity treated aliens that different from the star wars series. humanity, it seems, enjoys enslaving/destroying new cultures, and all those aliens in space fit the bill.

on a side note, it's similar to simon r green's empire (good series).

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-07-23 08:47am

Enforcer Talen wrote:
on a side note, it's similar to simon r green's empire (good series).

Yeah, expect the nobel system and the fact that the GE is less currupt.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-07-23 08:48am

We rewlly need an edit buton.

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