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How do you feel about Wong's calculations

I accept them one hundred percent.
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26%
I accept them mostly, but see that there may be flaws
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58%
I accept some, disregard some
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13%
I mostly disregard them, but he does have some good points
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3%
I do not accept them at all
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Trying to find the opinions of the members (disregard other)

Post by Smalleyjedi »

I want to know who of you feel which way about wong's calculations. The first i expect to be the most prominent. I chose that i agree mostly, but i would factor in human error and possible false assumptions to throw off some calculations, possibly in favor of the feds. Im not doing the user09 thing and bashing rabis warsies or trekkies tho, and i expect the votes to be come to through some sort of logic, so begin the polls!
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What I would really like to see are the maximum calcs. I realize that MW is trying to be fair in his numbers, but I would really like to see just what he finds in his calcs as the potential max.

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I also would like to see his opinion of max figures.
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Post by SCVN 2812 »

It's sci-fi, that alone is a variable impossible to accurate compensate for in mathematical calculations. That said, I am not a physics expert and don't have access to any technical journels that might help me refute Wong's calculations thus I am forced to nit pick assumptions (such as just what the asteroid destroyed was - a shakey argument at best I admit but reasonable doubt is reasonable doubt). So I say I accept most of his calculations but I feel that there may be, and probably are flaws.
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I'm not quite a Wongian, more of a BBrownian.

Post by Aaron2 »

I like the web page, but I think Mike relies too much on EU crap, especially about Stormtroopers.

However, I do think that it would only take 1 ISD to destroy the Federation.


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Post by Master of Ossus »

Mike's web page, for the most part, is handled with an amazing degree of professionalism, given the topic. I believe that the vast majority of the information that he writes up is accurate, although there are inevitably some mistakes in a site that is as large as his. Some of his assumptions are debatable, byt the conclusions that he draws are consistently accurate, and his math is impeccable.
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Post by Doomriser »

How come there's no option for "I think they are extremely conservative?"
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Post by Darth Yoshi »

Can't seem too biased, you know.
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Post by Carcharodon »

IMHO he was too generous here. He gives higher values than his overly conservative ones and clearly states their superior probability, but he doesn't spend enough time on them to prevent people from fixating on the conservative ones and misrepresenting them as somehow high-end. But, then again, that might be what happens no matter what.

I'd also like to see more about the size of the Imperial fleet (>25,000 ISDs) and maybe some screenshots and commentary to show how good Imperial accuracy actually is. But suggestions aside, I'm really quite satisfied with the page as it is. :wink:
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overly conservative

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The only problem I find on Mike wong's site is that it is very generous to ST but is very conservative to SW, basicly he gave ST many,many concessions but they seems to take as much offensive as to his low-end estimates as they may to they true high-end power of imperial weapons.
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Post by Howedar »

Master of Ossus wrote:Mike's web page, for the most part, is handled with an amazing degree of professionalism, given the topic. I believe that the vast majority of the information that he writes up is accurate, although there are inevitably some mistakes in a site that is as large as his. Some of his assumptions are debatable, byt the conclusions that he draws are consistently accurate, and his math is impeccable.
My thoughts exactly.
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Post by Kazuaki Shimazaki »

He's probably trying to take as defensible a ground as he reasonably can. Since this is not about small differences (in which every potential percent point of advantage counts), he can afford to be more conservative. If people are screaming bloody murder over his conservative calcs, the number of angry people winding up as flies on his Hate Mail page would increase by two orders of magnitude.

A rule of consensus-potential calcs is that you can only use what you can prove reasonably. For instance, the goddamned world knows that 22GT is way too conservative, and he knows that the real number would be orders of magnitude higher. But unless he's willing to spend time doing those calcs that actually incorporates one of the factors that would increase the number (they will be far more complex and time consuming, and may require specialist knowledge in other fields), people will bitch even more than usual!

As a whole, I'll say his site is mostly accurate. There might be a few places that need patching, but this is a big site. It'll be nice if he _eventually_ takes time out to renew all those TM era pages, but...
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As a whole, I'll say his site is mostly accurate. There might be a few places that need patching, but this is a big site. It'll be nice if he _eventually_ takes time out to renew all those TM era pages, but...
You can't have everything agreed

Wong is correct in the Pure Imbalance situation of a SW VS ST Conflict

He gives the Federation FAR to much credit when it comes to ground operations and over-estmates both thier tatical ability and numbers
While Underestmating SW Strengths
Delebratly
Look at his Fan-Fic, If we where to acutaly use Wong's Calcuations nothing would have gone as it had for the Federation, a Hundred Defiants and a hour's Worth of time are needed to blast down a ISD's Shields

Heck with an Executitor Class and resupply one ship could take the AQ but Wong delibratly overplayed ST strengths and we got a short of acutal combat senarior instead of the Cave-Men VS Stormtroopers that would acutal be likely if we did it strait to cannon facts

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Post by David »

He could be wrong about all of his calculations, but I have been given no reason to think so. I'll accept them until someone gives me that reason. Unless your user099, it's not a life or ban situation.
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